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  • E-M5.3 Weak tripod bush..Edit, E-M1.2 bush added.

    I noticed a number of members were interested in this at the show



    Picture borrowed from disgruntled owner.

    f04513e53a114c8e8b64e96eafbd5fbc by Dave in Wales, on Flickr
    Last edited by Dave in Wales; 17 January 2020, 09:33 AM.

  • #2
    Ooch. Inevitable conclusions that it's the plastic construction.
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    • Dave in Wales
      Dave in Wales commented
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      Could have severe consequences for the camera....as in....... stay away.

  • #3
    The key thing here is that he “hikes” with it suspended from the tripod bush...

    Repetitive Strain Injury
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    • Dave in Wales
      Dave in Wales commented
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      Perfectly legitimate way to carry a camera.

  • #4
    Bad news for those using the sling type strap that utilises the tripod mount, also the Capture Clip type systems
    There again its called a tripod mount and perhaps that's what it should be used for.
    Strap lugs are there for attaching to and carrying the camera although they also seem to be a weak point on the E-M1

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    • Dave in Wales
      Dave in Wales commented
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      I've never trusted sling type straps, but they do give a strap free camera when it's up to the eye.

  • #5
    Sorry, but suspending a camera and lens from the tripod bush is not unreasonable. Design weakness sounds the likely culprit.
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    • Dave in Wales
      Dave in Wales commented
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      I would have expected exhaustive tests to be carried out for just such a scenario.

  • #6
    Olympus needs to react to this without delay or it will kill off sales of the camera. If the tripod socket really is just attached to the plastic base, rather than a metal sub structure, it does look like extremely poor design.

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    • #7
      I’m in the camp of it’s easy to post a photo of a damaged item ,with a short storyline ...but do you/we know the whole story ..it’s far to easy these days to publish something get loads of comments supporting a problem with a product to be used as “evidence” when in actual fact it’s probably 85% your fault in the first place

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      • Dave in Wales
        Dave in Wales commented
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        I just passed on the link, make of it what you will.

    • #8
      The tripod mount of my E-M10 Mki was damaged when the tripod it was on tipped over a few years ago and I bought a spare (plus baseplate) through Luton Cameras; what alarmed me was the miniscule screws used to attach it to the body, they were no thicker than pins and really short.
      I do carry my E-M1 Mkii by a strap attached to the tripod mount occassionally, but when it has the 300mm f4 on so I connect the strap to the tripod foot.
      Over the years there have been plenty of incidents of the strap lugs coming away from the top of certain camera bodies so it seems there is always an element of risk using a strap to carry lots of expensive equipment around.
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      • pdk42
        pdk42 commented
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        Based on this diagram:



        It looks like it's the same design on the EM5.3. Basically - there's almost no solid structure holding the tripod mount - just the baseplate.

    • #9
      It IS the E-M5.3 that failed.

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      • pdk42
        pdk42 commented
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        Sorry - I meant that the E-M10 and E-M5iii design looks the same.

      • Dave in Wales
        Dave in Wales commented
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        Makes me wonder about the rest of the range.

    • #10
      Dave in Wales commented
      Makes me wonder about the rest of the range.

      Anything can break, if provoked hard enough. This photo shows my first E-M1 Mk.ii after I fell when it was hung round my neck with a monopod attached.

      Unfortunately, the monopod dug into the ground and acted as a lever to wrench off the base-plate. Notice that it didn't break at the tripod bush itself. Also, even on the model, the base appears to be plastic.

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      • pdk42
        pdk42 commented
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        That's an interesting photo. It seems that the tripod bush mounting arrangement is the same as on the exploded illustration of the EM5.3 - just a lightweight couple of screws holding it to the base plate (and a plastic base plate at that). I'm now quite concerned about putting any force onto it at all!

      • MikeOxon
        MikeOxon commented
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        I wonder what the E-M1x is like?

    • #11
      In conjunction with Mike's picture above.

      The external plate is metal, I'm pretty sure....EMP.

      The tripod bush is metal and flanged in three positions on the inside....TB

      The base is plastic.

      The TB is attached through the EMP with three screws into the TB flanges, thus clamping the EMP, to form a sub-assembly....TBSA.

      This TBSA is then attached to the plastic base from the outside with three screws.

      The TBSA is quite wide and spreads the load over the plastic base.

      Notice how in Mike's photo the TBSA did not fail.......the accident tore the base off first.

      All is IMVHO

      IMG_2104 by Dave in Wales, on Flickr
      Last edited by Dave in Wales; 17 January 2020, 06:42 PM.

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      • pdk42
        pdk42 commented
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        Doesn't inspire me with confidence. The essential point is that the entire load on the tripod bush is carried by a thin plastic base plate. I would have expected it to be held to the main frame of the camera.

    • #12
      surely if it was anchored to the main frame it would result in a lot more damage : I'm assuming they are built this way as a possible fail safe a £100 repair as opposed to a £700 repair

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      • #13
        I have always considered the tripod bush as exactly what it is! It’s designed to hold the camera onto a tripod, with the weight of the camera being transferred down to the ground through the tripod. Having the camera suspended from a sling using the tripod bush can at minimum impart the whole weight of the camera to the bush (static loading) and two times it’s weight (suddenly applied loads) and many times it’s weight with dynamic loading...

        This is by no means the first time I have seen this type of damage to the tripod bush/base plate and it ousted to happen on cameras with brass cast base plates when people carried the camera with heavy lenses, with the tripod attached.
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        • #14
          Might be a good idea to have a safety line between tripod and camera strap lug if carrying mounted to a tripod.
          Did something similar when a problem arose with the mount plate detaching on Gitzo Systematic tripods
          I used fishing trace wire and a couple of trace links to attach it

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          • #15
            Originally posted by Graham_of_Rainham View Post
            I have always considered the tripod bush as exactly what it is! It’s designed to hold the camera onto a tripod, with the weight of the camera being transferred down to the ground through the tripod. Having the camera suspended from a sling using the tripod bush can at minimum impart the whole weight of the camera to the bush (static loading) and two times it’s weight (suddenly applied loads) and many times it’s weight with dynamic loading...

            This is by no means the first time I have seen this type of damage to the tripod bush/base plate and it ousted to happen on cameras with brass cast base plates when people carried the camera with heavy lenses, with the tripod attached.
            Exactly this

            I'd never use a sling strap, I won't carry mine about on a tripod slung over my shoulder either.
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