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It's a nail-biting kind of evening.
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Celeste
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Looks like a Trump victory. Hold tight!Comment
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Oh dear, all good things have come to an end.😨😱Gerry
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I’d like to apology on behalf of the population who didn’t vote for chaos, corruption, and taking the world back 70 years. I weep for my country.Celeste
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It's depressing enough even at this remove. It must be unbearable for you to be facing into another 4 years of this. At least he can't serve a third term. -
You don’t have to apologise for all of them Celeste. I haven’t really digested it and what 4 years of Trump again will mean for the world. I can’t really relate as to why anyone would vote for him. I’m sure there’s going to be plenty of online news articles and blog posts etc trying to explain it in coming weeks.
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I find it hard to believe that so many people would vote for Trump.
There again I don't know the feelings of people in those places that he is so obviously popular.
Equally puzzling to me was the Brexit result, but again it tapped into peoples fears.
Thankfully Mr Johnson and his cohorts have gone so hopefully we won't be too closely affiliated to Trump and his behaviours.Comment
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Thank you everyone for keeping this political discussion - grown up!
There are so many reasons why Trump should have been rejected by Americans. We all know what most of these reasons are. But, perhaps, the biggest mistake to make about Trump - is to underestimate him. He's actually very clever. Indeed, this is why he could be a huge liability.
On the Democrat side, I have to say I didn't feel very optimistic because Kamala Harris just didn't get the most important messages home to the electorate - reassurances about the economy, that would convince ordinary people, and - unfortunately - immigration. I'm not against immigration at all (I'm an immigrant from the UK, here in France), my mother was an immigrant from the Philippines in the 1960s, too. The sheer suffering and torment undocumented immigrants have had to go through, let alone the abuse they got from the Republican campaigning, was awful. But the electorate needed some better ideas from the Democrats in order to manage the migration issue.
I'm, personally, very concerned about what will happen to Ukraine, now - and the Middle East situation.
My only small comfort and hope (I'm an optimist at heart) is that the worst of Trump's rhetoric didn't manifest itself during his first term.
Ian
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I find it worrying that the richest man in the world is now involved in politics with the most powerful man in the world.
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You have no idea how hard it is to be a 'grown up' right now.Originally posted by Ian View Post
I identify as an Independent. I do not belong to either party. I tend to support candidates for their policies. I lean fiscally conservative and socially liberal. I did not agree with everything Biden did or didn't do, but America came out of the COVID years far stronger and with better economics than any other country. Inflation has normalized. Job numbers are up. For people to say our economy is in shambles are factually wrong.
I do not agree with every policy that the Harris/Walz ticket supported, but I did think overall they were taking a strong approach to the things that matter most to me: environment/climate change and personal freedom (esp as a woman, but also for my 'rainbow' friends). I thought their proposal for taxes seemed about right.
What I personally have never understood is how the people who were -and will be- most harmed by his policies (poor, blue collar, woman, Latino, black) support him. I don't get it. I also do not understand how people who identify as Christian and moral can vote for him. There is nothing of either of those adjectives in his description. Y'all read the news; I don't need to point out the heinous UN-Christian amoral things he's done and the lies and harm he has spread.
People say don't let politics ruin a friendship, but I have people in my life that I don't know that I can be friends with. It's not about politics, it's about morals and ethics. If you voted for a fascist, rapist, convicted felon, serial liar (among his other traits) I just don't think we have much in common.
And that breaks my heart.Celeste
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I am saddened but not surprised. Cost of living has gone up (the post covid inflation spike has hit everywhere). Wages haven't kept up. The Biden admin probably did a reasonable job of managing this but that daily reminder that things seemed better 4 years ago is hard to combat. Couple that with the 'we are under attack from migration and I am going to fix it' message and you get a lot of traction from the blue-collar sector of all descriptions.
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shakyHands For many of us outside the USA, it's a bit bizarre that the US has recovered very strongly from COVID, much of this thanks to the Biden administration, but the electorate hasn't 'yet' felt the benefits enough to give it credit.
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As I am not an American, nor have even visited America (either continent), I feel that it would be inappropriate of me to comment on the presidential election in the USA. But this thread keeps coming up with new posts. So I feel compelled to offer some of observations / comments and questions:- All the posts above show that the posters are concerned at what another 4 years of a Trump presidency will bring; but
- Trump won the popular vote. - Over 50% of those who voted, voted for Trump. Why? Are they all wrong? Or there something we are missing?
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I think what we’re missing is how social media has poisoned the well so far as sanity, truth, and contact with reality is concerned. Not only has it led to a post-truth world, but it’s divided American society right down the middle.
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Very true, so much misinformation and downright lies is spread on social media.
It is often aimed at those who do not for whatever reason consider what they are reading.
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I think the root of all this is that many of us look at Trump and what he's done in the past and what he 'says' he will do, with understandable horror. It's an inevitable question for us and, indeed many American voters, namely how could anyone vote for him? But the fact is that the majority did. The natural additional concern is that the electorate had been lied to. Concern from us in Europe also is that this is not just a US domestic issue - there are some potentially serious consequences for us.
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My personal concern is what a new Trump term in office will bring to global stability.
There are many enlightened Americans that I have worked with and met on my travels extensively in the US but there are a lot who are very insular because they live in such a vast, wonderful country. On my most recent visit I was shocked at how much more expensive things had become and how much more homelessness there was evident in the major cities. I have also travelled to Lithuania, Estonia and Poland and quite a few people I spoke to there made a point of asking me to let people know back in the UK that they were petrified of Russia invading and returning to something like their time under Soviet control. Vilnius was a particularly curious place when I visited because many people just kept to themselves. When you visit the KGB museums in those places you can understand why the caution of speaking out of turn to people they don't know pervades. My visits were before Russia invaded Ukraine for the second time but after the annexation of Crimea. I also visited Russia around this time and there was a genuine admiration of Putin from people I spoke to.
Trump will focus a lot internally on making things better in the US but he has vowed to end the war in Ukraine. On the face of it this is good, if he can indeed deliver on that promise, but at what cost? If he forces Ukraine into an uneasy truce then will Russia (and China and North Korea) be encouraged by that? I'm not sure that we should expect or want the US to police the world but it may become a more dangerous place without help from the US. I wait with bated breath to see what Trump brings.
I hope it is positive and the world becomes a safer, more peaceful place soon. I love this little green-blue planet and I hope we look after it. I can then happily take my OM-5 to more amazing places and meet more amazing people.Roy
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This is what people are choosing to miss or forget:Originally posted by griffljg View Post
He tried to OVERTHROW the GOVERNMENT last time. January 6, 2020, he incited an insurrection to stay in power after losing the election.
His own cabinet officials, and other people who served with him, thing he is dangerous and unfit to lead the country.
He stored classified information in the bathroom of his mansion.
He ran his election on immigration reform when he single-handedly convinced incumbent Republicans to vote against a bi-partisan border protection bill - the strongest in decades - because he wanted it as an issue.
Even though you aren't an American, our country has a lot of 'say' in how the world operates. HIs presidency will affect the world, not just here at home. You can comment and express your concern all you want to.Last edited by TravelingChick; 7 November 2024, 03:40 PM.Celeste
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This point can't be stressed enough. For good or bad, the US wields an enormous amount of influence and power in the world. I'd prefer someone in charge who has a tiny bit of nuance and thoughtfulness. I'd also prefer someone in power who isn't a climate-change denier. Our planet can't take much more.Originally posted by rchammer View Post
My husband and I have traveled extensively. We understand how privileged we are to live in the US. We have studied history and seen the memorials to atrocities. It can all happen again.
We've also seen some amazing things and met some wonderful wonderful people from all walks of life. We hope that can continue,Celeste
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