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  • E-M5 iii - I'm somewhat under-whelmed

    For reasons verging on mild madness (!), I bought a lightly-used EM5.3 over the weekend. The plan was to look at it as an alternative to the Pen-F that I have. The Pen's lovely in so many ways, but it's showing its age with menu structures, lack of raw transfer over WiFi to the mobile app (OI.Share), lack of buttons (esp one for back-button AF), poor CAF, and being overall just a little slow (esp on e-shutter for EV bracketing where ghosting on foliage becomes an issue). And of course, it's not weather sealed which rules it out as an ideal backup to my main EM1.3. I read the various reviews of the EM5.3 and most ended up saying that it's a mini EM1.2, which sounds really good and just what I need. Having previously had the original EM5 and the EM5.2, both of which I absolutely loved, I thought it would be a good choice. But, whilst it does have many of the key tech features of the EM1.2 (AF, fast sensor readout), I can't help feeling that Olympus botched a number of key areas with the camera that collectively frustrate the life out of me.

    - The polycarbonate-only construction means it doesn't have the "quality" feel that all other Olympus cameras have - even going back to the lowly E-PL5 which got me into the system. I know that the plastic materials used make for a lighter camera and they are probably quite robust, but it just feels cheap. Totally psychological I know, but there it is!

    - The battery is the older BLS-50 from the smaller Pens. It just doesn't hack it in my view. Mount an IS-equipped lens like the 12-100 and the battery gets sucked dry way too quickly. Worse, Olympus decided not to provide a battery grip so it's a case of having to swap batteries more than needed. On top of all that, despite being launched after the EM1.2 with its chipped battery that provides a reliable indication of remaining capacity, the old BLS-50 gives zero info regarding its charge state, so we're left with the crude voltage measure in the camera which usually results in wildly inaccurate readings of the level. Whatever were Oly thinking to launch a camera in late 2019 with such an old battery?

    - C-modes. What a mess! They've removed the old "MySets", which work really well (even on the lowly EM10 cameras), and replaced it with a single "C" setting on the dial plus two further C settings that can only be accessed by diving into the menus. They can't be assigned to unused dial positions (such as iAuto, ART etc) like MySets. Worse, if you're foolish enough to have the dial not on "C", selecting a C mode from the menu will completely overwrite whatever settings you previously had with no way to go back. I use C modes a lot and on both the EM1.3 and Pen-F have all four programmed and wish I had more. Compared to every other Olympus camera I've used, the implementation on the EM5.3 is just awful. You can't even save the C settings using OM Workplace. It's a massive step back from the EM5.2. I keep thinking to myself - they paid a programmer to remove MySets and create this rubbish!

    - EVF eye-detection. Unlike the Pen-F, EM1.3, EM1.2 etc etc, the EM5.3 doesn't disable the eye detection when the screen is folded out. This means that if you're using the camera at the waist and looking at the screen, it'll frequently switch to the EVF if your body gets too close to the camera. Whatever were Oly thinking of when they did this?

    - The EVF has a lower magnification than its predecessor. It's OLED not LCD which I guess helps wearers of polarised sunglasses, but it's got a smaller magnification. It is at least a little better than the Pen-F in this regard but compared to its predecessor it's a backward step. Again, I ask myself "why?".

    Maybe these things won't bother some people, but in my view it's indicative of excessive price-point engineering and even to "crippleware" thinking - deliberately removing useful features (like MySets) to maintain a gap to the higher-priced model in the range. The polycarbonate build is an interesting one. The logical part of my brain can see the sense, but the feel in the hand doesn't quite measure up to the "premium" feel of the two previous EM5 models. This in my view diminishes the brand. This is still a £1000 camera at retail price.

    If all this sounds rather negative, I guess I should add that there are some positives! Compared to the Pen-F, it's got much better tech - faster sensor readout speed, much better AF, improved menu structure, raw transfer over WiFi, better overall handling, useful features like ProCap and focus stacking, it's weather sealed, it's slightly lighter, the EVF magnification is slightly higher, IBIS is rated slightly higher, it's got more buttons (including a back-button for AF), has in-camera charging, and it even has a focus mode lever which makes switching between SAF and CAF much easier.

    I guess the question I need to ask is whether I can get over the negatives. I certainly can't see me letting the Pen-F go, but maybe I can work around these issues and grow to love it...
    Paul
    Panasonic S1Rii and S5 with a few lenses
    flickr
    Portfolio Site

  • #2
    Progress - just upgraded the firmware, and it seems they've fixed the EVF eye-detection problem. The C modes are still a mess though!
    Paul
    Panasonic S1Rii and S5 with a few lenses
    flickr
    Portfolio Site

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    • Ross the fiddler
      Ross the fiddler commented
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      Sounds like it was never updated then.

  • #3
    Useful mini review. I sometimes feel an itch to move on from my E-M10ii and though the E-M5iii might be worth the money.but you've made me wonder again!
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/amcuk/

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    • pdk42
      pdk42 commented
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      The EM10.2 was the pinnacle of Olympus value-for-money. It's got no dumbed-down software, no crippleware; and it performs just as well as every other CDAF-equipped, 16Mp camera they did. The IBIS isn't the best, it's not weather sealed and the viewfinder is quite low magnification (same as the Pen-F actually), but otherwise it's a fine camera. The EM5 iii is overall a better camera, but Oly could have made it so much more.

    • OM USer
      OM USer commented
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      Agreed, the EM10.2 was an absolute winner.

  • #4
    Great mini review Paul. Have never had an EM5 series although partner has an EM10 2 and loves it. As do I when I pick it up before she ushers me away! I have two Pen F`s, one obtained new and one pre-loved but almost no actuations when it arrived. You are of course correct about the shortcomings but for me these are `feel good` cameras, better than the sum of their parts. I switched to Olympus after handling one at the Photography Show a few years ago and it was an instant attraction even without knowing anything about the tech. I still feel that way and I suppose a big part of my attraction to Olympus is about that mysterious feeling. Maybe a 5 mk 2 would be a better fit for you?

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    • #5
      Interesting. I actually sold my EM1.2 after getting my EM5.3.

      I agree the plastic body is a little disappointing, but apart from that, I prefer it to the 1.2.

      I also have the Pen F (only got that very recently), and agree on all other counts.

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      • #6
        Apart from weather sealing it makes me think the EM10 iv might be a better bet, lot cheaper too.

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        • #7
          Thank you pdk42 I was thinking of doing just that till the new mistress arrive but I think I will suffer with that GX8.
          * Henry
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          • #8
            The EM5iii was definitely a case of 2 steps forward and 1 step back over the Em5ii. They lost so many things in the update that if you were upgrading from the original mark 1 you had to make a comparison tick box list of the features in each to decide which one you you would upgrade to. I wanted some features that were split between the mark 2 and mark 3 so never bothered to upgrade. Now waiting for the mark 4 with the latest sensor but it might be a long wait.
            Most used: EM5i + 12-200mm, In briefcase: E-PM2 + 12-42mmEZ
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            • #9
              Just wait for the OM-5
              Andy
              bengeo.com

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              • blu-by-u
                blu-by-u commented
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                With the worldwide chip shortage, I doubt there will be one. Maybe a OM-Pen.

            • #10
              It’ll be interesting to see what OMDS do with the range. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if both the EM10 and EM5 range go, leaving just a Pen-like body and the OM1.
              Paul
              Panasonic S1Rii and S5 with a few lenses
              flickr
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              • AMc
                AMc commented
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                That's my worry. I know my E-M10ii won't last indefinitely and at some point I'll want/need to replace it - but since it was released nothing has appealed.
                I had planned on splurging on the Mk3 when it was released as an upgrade to my Mk1 but when it came out it was underwhelming and removed bracketing/HDR features that I like to have easily available so I bought a used ii.
                I'm still mildly surprised there's a UK market for the EP-x series but they're still widely available. I guess there's a whole group of photographers who hand out elsewhere from the photo forums I read.

            • #11
              Originally posted by pdk42 View Post
              It’ll be interesting to see what OMDS do with the range. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if both the EM10 and EM5 range go, leaving just a Pen-like body and the OM1.
              I detected, yesterday, that you are warming to the E-M5.3, Paul?

              Ian
              Founder and editor of:
              Olympus UK E-System User Group (https://www.e-group.uk.net)

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              • pdk42
                pdk42 commented
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                Yes, I did warm to it. It performs very well. No complaints in terms of its output or its operation. I need to work on the lack of C modes. It’s annoying but clearly not a fatal flaw. The polycarbonate build is quickly forgotten about. I did find another slight negative though - the positioning of the remote release socket means it fouls the opening of the screen so just when you want to use a remote, on a tripod, it’s cumbersome. There’s always the wifi remote to the app though, so again, not a deal-breaker. A singke battery easily lasted the day, so that was a welcome surprise.

            • #12
              For me the compromises don’t prevent me enjoying the 5.3 as (overall) my favourite street photography body, plus for most light travel. I agree it’s a missed opportunity, though.
              A few points:

              To Paul’s negatives I’d add the dumbing down of the menu choices brought up by pressing the top left buttons (ie you just get one menu, worked by both front and rear dials). I find this a right pain, but at least one can use the lever to switch focus modes.

              It plays extremely well with the f4 zoom series and light primes - I’ve just got the 40-150 f4 and it’s a perfect tiny and light travel kit with the 12-45 and Panny 8-18, with an optional PL 15.

              I find it feels very unbalanced with the 12-100 and anything larger (so I’m not bothered by the battery life, especially as it’s USB chargeable, and I just carry a couple of cheap ExPro spares for the day). In fact the lack of R side grip also makes it a pain for me with the 17 f1.2, so I add a pattern plate-and-grip when I’m likely to be using that all day on the street.

              I wish OMS would produce a weathersealed update to the 17 f1.8 with better coatings etc like the 12-40: that would be a real winner with this body for street photography.
              Regards,
              Mark

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              • #13
                As this was my first olympus digital camera I am very happy with it. However, I find the usb connection to be loose. It will not charge that way. I am not sure about updating the firmware as I dont want to lose the connection and damage something. Does anyone else have this problem?

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                • pdk42
                  pdk42 commented
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                  Check your plug. I initially tried a cable I had hanging around and it was very loose. I tried another and now it fits very snuggly.

                • ronidog
                  ronidog commented
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                  Thanks Paul, I will give that a go.

              • #14
                I have tried different cables as suggested by Paul. None have worked. On closer inspection of the usb camera socket I cannot see any connection point for the cable plug to connect into! Perhaps I should take a photo to send to Om systems, after I have checked the warranty.

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                • #15
                  I recently bought an EM5 mk2 at a very good price and generally love it except for the poor af tracking. As part of my recent camera clear out has deprived my of the ability to take infrared pics but has given my camera budget a boost I'm wondering whether it's worth upgrading to a good used OMD EM mk3 for the better af. Doesn't seem to be any other major benefit. May keep mk2 and convert it to infrared or full spectrum. Any advice please. Not keen on the larger bodied cameras.

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