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    For the most part I use Sandisk Extreme Pro (64gb, nominal rating 170 mb/s) cards in both slots of my OM-1. I'm set up to write RAWS to one slot and Superfine/large JPEG's to the other. At the end of a day out I'll either copy or move the RAWS to my PC to review and/or work on while the JPEGs I may just scan through quickly on the PC direct from the card but generally just delete once I'm happy I've secured the days' RAWS. Either way, over the weeks/months both cards slowly fill up with files created over many separate shoots. Eventually when I get to probably 75 or 80% space used pre-shoot I'll quickly check through the card contents to make sure there is nothing I need to keep and then re-format both cards in the camera.

    So, my question. Does the way I use the cards impact their performance, in particular write speed? I was out last weekend trying to photograph Swifts which often meant taking 50, 100 or more pictures at a time and several times hitting the buffer limit. Looking through the viewfinder you can see the free-space count increment as (I imagine) images are written to the card(s). While it's sometime since this caught my eye it SEEMED to me that it was clearing the buffer much slower than I remember from previous occasions. While this may all be in my imagination I did wonder if this could be impacted by what I imagine by now is an increasingly fragmented card (this assumes that card data storage works like compute hard drives where de-fragmentation can improve performance significantly). Any thoughts or comments welcome!

    A second question on card performance. Before we did our Costa Rica trip last year I "invested" in a couple of Kingston Canvas React cards (64 gb, nominal rating 300 mb/s) in the expectation of spending times watching hummingbirds and after reading positive reviews/tests of this card. In practice I used a Kingston in slot 1 for RAWs and a Sandisk in slot 2 for the JPEGs as I assumed that the faster card taking the larger RAW files would be "balanced" by the smaller JPEG files written to the slower card. Does anyone have an opinion on this (I'm quite happy to learn that I'm totally misguided!)?

    Before our next big trip I'll try and run a few tests myself using faster cards in both slots and if that works better "invest" in some more faster cards.

    Chris.

  • #2
    I bought some of those react cards too last year and they've been fine. Only thing I've noticed is the speed transferring to my laptop is very variable. Sometimes it hits the rated speed but it definitely has peaks and troughs. No Idea why they would do that.
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    • #3
      I tend to upload to the Mac at the end of the day and format the cards was using sands 64gb high speed ones but bought a sandisk 128gb 200mb/s one for the bempton trip according to the camera read out thats good for 5590 shots in raw so more than enough .. yes its fast and so far no problems but they are so cheap these days its probably worth buying new ones to increase your read/write speed .. as we well know nothing stands still in the tech world

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      • #4
        Your workflow seems sound. Rule of thumb is you should maintain 100% performance up to 80% full.
        Last year I did a buffer test OM1 vs EM1.3. I have a comparison chart here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Q1m...ew?usp=sharing
        I didn't test for writing raw to one and jpg to the other. Just Raw, Raw+Jpg to one or both cards. The dual card results are on page 2. Times are in seconds.

        The only update to this chart is that I've tested ProGrade V60 UHS-II rated 250mb/s. They seem to give the same performance in my OM-1 as my ProGrade V90 UHS-II rated 300mb/s.
        So you'll save a bunch of money getting V60 cards with no loss in performance.

        Hope that helps.
        -Rob

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        • antpitta
          antpitta commented
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          Thanks for your observations ... particularly your last comment comparing V60 & V90 cards (who doesn't want to save money if you don't get any/much benefit). Seems it will still be worth some more experimentation & measurement as - fingers crossed - it's going to be another big hummer year assuming we make it to Colombia later this year and they can challenge buffer limits

      • #5
        This might interest you:

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        • #6
          Thanks Rob & Huw for the links. Would seem to indicate that (within reason) card write speed isn't necessarily the bottleneck. No comments on potential issues for disk fragmentation based on how I've been using cards recently? In any case that is something I can test/measure myself!

          Also agree with Paul's comments about the Kingston cards: well priced and work fine for me plus the "free" paired card reader is very small and handy to take on trips (I use a cheap Chromebook to copy to an external SSD for daily backups on trips away). Stick to 64gb cards to limit losses if I ever get a card problem and to keep copy/backup times reasonable. Finally, I've also noted that read/write speeds seem to vary considerably even during the same process even if I'm not doing anything else on the PC: seems to be the same irrespective of card and reader brand.

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          • #7
            Once you have uploaded your images to your PC/Mac and confirmed all OK. I really don't understand why you don't simply erase your card in camera? It takes seconds. Plus no need to worry about fragmentation of the card. Certainly don't need to reformat.

            Why introduce more potential issues like fragmentation?


            For the kind of shots you seem to be taking then the faster the card the better. - Don't penny pinch or you will regret it.

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            • antpitta
              antpitta commented
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              You're absolutely right and TBH I always take more than enough cards on a big trip to not need to re-use cards (they then become my 1st line back-ups). And I'm quite happy to buy more expensive cards IF there is some proof that - for example - moving from V60 to V90 cards will reduce buffering problems but that seems from tests referred to here as being in some doubt. Maybe I just need to sort out my regular day-to-day card usage better (ie. reformat once I've uploaded ...

            • MJ224
              MJ224 commented
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              I now do the same. Download and erase. My previous thoughts were that the files on the card were yet another backup. But as photos are relatively expandable, why bother.................

          • #8
            You seem to be doing the right thing in formatting cards in camera (not deleting as you can still get fragmentation issues and cards crashing). I just format them after every shoot once the images are stored elsewhere.
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            • #9
              I now always format my card after every day ....... once my images are safe in the computer (for editing) and in the three external hard drives (for safety).

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              • #10
                Back in 2017, when https://www.cameramemoryspeed.com/ol...mparison-test/ did continuous shooting tests with various cards in an Olympus E-M1-ii, they found that shooting in RAW+JPEG resulted in less than half the speed of shooting RAW alone. Shooting JPEG alone was lightly faster than RAW alone but not much difference.
                Mike

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                • antpitta
                  antpitta commented
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                  I have considered just writing RAW's - and for the most part in the UK that would be fine as I would normally upload and cull/process the same day. But particularly on foreign trips where I don't carry a full size laptop to run proper PP software it is useful to have the JPEGS to get a quick idea on how the day has gone and also because I usually "tweet" a few birds most evenings for mates back home. And having RAWs on one card and JPEGs on a second makes management of each most straightforward as well as giving protection from a card failing during the day (although touch wood that's never happened to date).

              • #11
                Thanks everyone for your thoughts, comments and experiences. Seems It is an area worth doing some more experimentation/measurement on.

                Maybe I'm also being a little too obsessive when it comes to security and backups but ever since reading about some birders touring round Costa Rica who had their car broken into just before the end of their trip and having the laptop they'd all shared for backups (plus their used/spare cards) stolen it made me obsess about anything similar happening on a big trip (as photos form such valuable memories). This meant that we (my wife is also a birder/photographer) now backup the days used cards each night to an external SSD via a cheap Chromebook, then backup the SSD overnight to an external hard drive. One of us will then always carry either the SSD or HD on our person when we're out birding, the used cards are stored in the other persons day pack and the final backup stowed in our luggage in the vehicle or hotel room!

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                • #12
                  Originally posted by antpitta View Post
                  Thanks everyone for your thoughts, comments and experiences. Seems It is an area worth doing some more experimentation/measurement on.

                  Maybe I'm also being a little too obsessive when it comes to security and backups but ever since reading about some birders touring round Costa Rica who had their car broken into just before the end of their trip and having the laptop they'd all shared for backups (plus their used/spare cards) stolen it made me obsess about anything similar happening on a big trip (as photos form such valuable memories). This meant that we (my wife is also a birder/photographer) now backup the days used cards each night to an external SSD via a cheap Chromebook, then backup the SSD overnight to an external hard drive. One of us will then always carry either the SSD or HD on our person when we're out birding, the used cards are stored in the other persons day pack and the final backup stowed in our luggage in the vehicle or hotel room!
                  Good advice.
                  I bought an external HDD and it’s much smaller than my cell phone. I should remember to carry it instead of leaving it in the hotel with the actual laptop.

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                  • #13
                    My method on overseas trips was to back up onto USB memory sticks that I always carried on my person.
                    Mike

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                    • Phill D
                      Phill D commented
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                      Presumably you need to take a laptop with you to do that Mike. Or have you a nifty way of backing up without?

                    • MikeOxon
                      MikeOxon commented
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                      I have a device called a Kingston MobileLite MLW221. It's about the size of a mobile phone, with sockets for USB and SD cards. It can be controlled by wifi from a mobile phone, to copy files between memory cards and the USB port. No laptop required. I do not think that this very handy device is still available or whether there's a current equivalent but it is still serving me very well.
                      Last edited by MikeOxon; 13 June 2023, 10:25 AM. Reason: added model number

                  • #14
                    I would advise to avoid different cards in the two slots, as well as setting raw +jpg as this impact performance in writing. The slowest card is the one limiting the overall write process. I use raw=raw to ensure I have a backup in case of failure and two identical cards.
                    I based this settings on the tests published here since my EM1.2 https://www.cameramemoryspeed.com/ol...mparison-test/
                    unfortunately, they had not updated this test with the new cameras since then, but you can observe that performance in writing were much slower when selecting raw+jpg.

                    Rob Trek has a YouTube video testing real performance in several cards, can also give some insight in the behavior of Olympus in different setups.

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