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    Unusually for me these days I bought a copy of Amateur Photographer magazine last week and even more unusual I was actually inspired by one of the articles. It was about infrared B&W, by Russ Barnes, and featured some superb pictures as well as a description of his shooting techniques and processing workflow.

    I've dabbled briefly with infrared in the past and I was sufficiently motivated to purchase a step-up ring to use my under appreciated R72 filter on my current 12-50mm lens.

    So far, so good, but I have a problem with following Russ's processing. One of the steps he takes in Photoshop involves changes to the red and blue colour channels using the Channel Mixer. Elements (which I use) doesn't have this function, so can anybody recommend a cheap program that does this? I have seen mentioned online a plug-in called Elements Plus which apparently unlocks "hidden" functions in Elements including the channel mixer, but I cannot find it on the Adobe site. Has anyone used this or heard of it?

    One problem that I encountered on my first outing with the filter today was long exposures due to the blocked transmission of light from the visible spectrum. I had a tripod, of course, but that did not prevent the blurring of moving clouds and foliage on a breezy day. I shot at ISO 200 and in retrospect I should have cranked this up. Also, I was maybe a little too cautious in using f8 to accommodate the focussing differential of infrared light. Does anyone have any other tips, advice or comments, please?

    Here are two pictures from today. I did up the ISO to 3200 for the second shot.





    John

    "A hundredth of a second here, a hundredth of a second there � even if you put them end to end, they still only add up to one, two, perhaps three seconds, snatched from eternity." ~ Robert Doisneau

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    Re: Help requested with Infrared

    Two interesting shots, I hope you read Ian's article on old cameras?
    Ed

    Live life in the slow lane.

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    • #3
      Re: Help requested with Infrared

      Originally posted by Wee man View Post
      Two interesting shots, I hope you read Ian's article on old cameras?
      I cannot see Ian's article, the issue I have is dated Saturday 23rd May.
      John

      "A hundredth of a second here, a hundredth of a second there � even if you put them end to end, they still only add up to one, two, perhaps three seconds, snatched from eternity." ~ Robert Doisneau

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        Re: Help requested with Infrared

        Hi John
        I very rarely bother with channel swapping but I think GIMP is the package I've used that supports it. As GIMP is free it should meet your requirements
        Mike
        Compulsive photographic Dabbler.
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          Re: Help requested with Infrared

          Originally posted by Petrochemist View Post
          Hi John
          I very rarely bother with channel swapping but I think GIMP is the package I've used that supports it. As GIMP is free it should meet your requirements
          Thanks Mike, I'll check it out. Must admit I am confused whether the channel swapping is relevant to B&W infrared or just the false colour IR (which doesn't interest me as much).
          John

          "A hundredth of a second here, a hundredth of a second there � even if you put them end to end, they still only add up to one, two, perhaps three seconds, snatched from eternity." ~ Robert Doisneau

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            Originally posted by Zuiko View Post
            Thanks Mike, I'll check it out. Must admit I am confused whether the channel swapping is relevant to B&W infrared or just the false colour IR (which doesn't interest me as much).
            I think it's only for colour IR, which I don't do much either.
            Playing with the levels of individual colour channels can make a difference with a 720nm filter which still get some colour information (such as dyed hair showing bluer) - but won't make much difference with 850nm & longer.
            Mike
            Compulsive photographic Dabbler.
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            • #7
              Re: Help requested with Infrared

              You can find out more here about ElementsPlus place purchase as well. I've not used it but know a couple of guys who use it and are very happy with the results.

              Tom
              "Who is watching the Watchers, watching the Watchers watching us"

              Its not what you see, it's the way that you see it"

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                Re: Help requested with Infrared

                Originally posted by tomphotofx View Post
                You can find out more here about ElementsPlus place purchase as well. I've not used it but know a couple of guys who use it and are very happy with the results.

                Tom
                Thanks Tom, did you mean to enclose a link?
                John

                "A hundredth of a second here, a hundredth of a second there � even if you put them end to end, they still only add up to one, two, perhaps three seconds, snatched from eternity." ~ Robert Doisneau

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                  Channel swapping is not vital for B&W IR work, but it may give a slightly different 'look' to the B&W conversion if you do it first. I've tried both - sometimes I can see a difference, sometimes I can't. There's no "right way" in infrared, just what works for you!
                  Margaret

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                    Re: Help requested with Infrared

                    Originally posted by MargaretR View Post
                    http://elementsplus.net/

                    Channel swapping is not vital for B&W IR work, but it may give a slightly different 'look' to the B&W conversion if you do it first. I've tried both - sometimes I can see a difference, sometimes I can't. There's no "right way" in infrared, just what works for you!
                    Thanks Margaret, that's what I suspected but didn't want to miss out if it was an important step in the B&W process.
                    John

                    "A hundredth of a second here, a hundredth of a second there � even if you put them end to end, they still only add up to one, two, perhaps three seconds, snatched from eternity." ~ Robert Doisneau

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                      Re: Help requested with Infrared

                      Sorry John, the link is http://elementsplus.net

                      Hope it helps. Two fantastic images BTW I'd be very happy if they were mine.

                      Tom
                      "Who is watching the Watchers, watching the Watchers watching us"

                      Its not what you see, it's the way that you see it"

                      Flickr http://www.flickr.com/photos/photofxstudios

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                        Re: Help requested with Infrared

                        Two nice shots John. And once again not close enough to mine to set my lawyer on you.

                        After doing your version of trees in snow a few years ago now you've done your version of IR trees.
                        It's the image that's important, not the tools used to make it.

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                          Re: Help requested with Infrared

                          Originally posted by David M View Post
                          Two nice shots John. And once again not close enough to mine to set my lawyer on you.

                          After doing your version of trees in snow a few years ago now you've done your version of IR trees.
                          Thanks David, if you are comparing my shots to yours I'm flattered. It's a good job there is more than one tree on the planet!
                          John

                          "A hundredth of a second here, a hundredth of a second there � even if you put them end to end, they still only add up to one, two, perhaps three seconds, snatched from eternity." ~ Robert Doisneau

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                          • #14
                            Re: Help requested with Infrared

                            Originally posted by tomphotofx View Post
                            Sorry John, the link is http://elementsplus.net

                            Hope it helps. Two fantastic images BTW I'd be very happy if they were mine.

                            Tom
                            Thanks Tom, much appreciated.
                            John

                            "A hundredth of a second here, a hundredth of a second there � even if you put them end to end, they still only add up to one, two, perhaps three seconds, snatched from eternity." ~ Robert Doisneau

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                              Re: Help requested with Infrared

                              John, one of mine was part of a portfolio published in a photo mag in the 80's so you could have seen it then.
                              It's the image that's important, not the tools used to make it.

                              David M's Photoblog

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