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    Landscapes are way out of my comfort zone and it is an area I want to work on. Would appreciate feedback on this shot, taken in Lanzarote.



    Thank you

    PS The original seems to have a bit more punch than this one!
    Shirley
    www.shirleyhollisenterprises.co.uk
    www.photographsbyshirley.co.uk

  • #2
    Re: Landscape help please

    You got the original to share???

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    • #3
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      Yes, but I have to resize it and convert to JPEG to get it on here, that's when I lose the 'punch'
      Shirley
      www.shirleyhollisenterprises.co.uk
      www.photographsbyshirley.co.uk

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      • #4
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        Zuiko is your man for Landscapes
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        • #5
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          Yes but I don't think he is around at the moment. What do you think?
          Shirley
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          • #6
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            I really like the lighting on this Shirley, you have captured a dramatic scene very well.
            The only area that is lacking something is the foreground and as you can't add anything at this stage, maybe lifting the dark strip at the bottom would help?
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            • #7
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              Shirley - I love that shot. It's got great composition and I'm sure with just a little PP, it'll be a masterpiece! I did a little bit of playing and came up with something like this:



              I toned down the brightness on the mountains a little, pulled the sky down a touch and added some blur and shadow darkening on the foreground. I then tweaked the tone curve to get deeper blacks. I'm not saying this is the only or the best way to proceed, but it's an idea. For me, these are the things that I think are part of the right mix:

              - Get the foreground deeper since it's not really the part of the image that you want the viewer to see - best to turn into a sort of negative space.
              - Tone down the brightness on the mountain - it's a bit too 'hot' I think as it is.
              - Improve the overall contrast and get some deeper blacks - it adds to the mood of the shot.

              Hope this is a helpful post!
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              • #8
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                I love what you have done Paul, I did get something similar when I was editing, but I have a dilemma. Should I edit to what I saw or to produce an image I like? In other types of photography, apart from nature, I tend towards producing an image I like, is that acceptable with landscape or should it mirror the actual scene?
                Shirley
                www.shirleyhollisenterprises.co.uk
                www.photographsbyshirley.co.uk

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                • #9
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                  Originally posted by shirley View Post
                  Yes but I don't think he is around at the moment. What do you think?
                  I think it has a lot of "depth" in the browns and pinks/flesh mountain colours and that the sky behind is a great backdrop and almost in "relief" - a great camera technique'

                  I can imagine it looks lots better in the raw ! more textures ?

                  A great composition and Jon Pear on Skye would be proud of this one ! but he went ikon and its not on Skye, ? is it ?
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                  • #10
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                    Originally posted by shirley View Post
                    I love what you have done Paul, I did get something similar when I was editing, but I have a dilemma. Should I edit to what I saw or to produce an image I like? In other types of photography, apart from nature, I tend towards producing an image I like, is that acceptable with landscape or should it mirror the actual scene?
                    Photographic post processing, sometimes facilitates "a pigs ear appearing as a silk purse" - if its liked, thats good - but remember "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" and this image you behond Shirley.

                    Moreover, the human eye stores and recalls what the eyes brain likes - witnesses are never 100% accurate, they cannot be !
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                    • #11
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                      I think you are right Chevvy, and of course the viewer has no idea what it looked like!

                      I would always try to start with a decent image, it takes a lot of hard work if the original is rubbish
                      Shirley
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                      www.photographsbyshirley.co.uk

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                      • #12
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                        Originally posted by shirley View Post
                        Should I edit to what I saw or to produce an image I like? In other types of photography, apart from nature, I tend towards producing an image I like, is that acceptable with landscape or should it mirror the actual scene?
                        There is no hard and fast rule to this dilemma, it all depends on what you want to achieve. All landscapes are different anyway and a standard approach to shooting and processing them is unlikely to produce successful images in the majority of cases. Your picture here, for example, clearly benefits from higher contrast and increased saturation as Paul has demonstrated, but a misty landscape in soft morning light might benefit from reduced contrast, clarity and saturation.

                        Most landscape photographs fail to exactly match what the photographer saw, the question is how much manipulation is acceptable? Personally, I draw the line at adding a sky that was taken at a different time but is that any worse than, say, using a 3 stop ND grad to increase the drama when only a 2 stop filter was necessary to balance the exposure between land and sky?

                        Back in film days, like many photographers I was perhaps guilty of unwittingly manipulating the truth simply by using a high saturation film like Velvia when Kodachrome would have been more accurate. And strictly speaking, film balanced for daylight at 5500K should have been used with a pale blue correction filter for dawn and dusk shots to retain colour accuracy, but I didn’t because I liked the enhanced but false warm colours.

                        So my advice is to process landscapes within your own comfort levels, but don’t be afraid to push the boundaries when you feel that a picture warrants it.
                        Last edited by Zuiko; 31 August 2014, 11:33 PM.
                        John

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                        • #13
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                          Originally posted by shirley View Post
                          I love what you have done Paul, I did get something similar when I was editing, but I have a dilemma. Should I edit to what I saw or to produce an image I like? In other types of photography, apart from nature, I tend towards producing an image I like, is that acceptable with landscape or should it mirror the actual scene?
                          I'm no expert Shirley, but for me photography is about creating images that I (and hopefully others) like. Whether they faithfully represent the original scene isn't important to me. I'm not trying to be a photojournalist. I'm trying to make an image that creates some emotional response and if that means liberal sprinklings of PP, then I'm personally fine with that!

                          Are we photocopiers or artists?!
                          Paul
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                          • #14
                            Re: Landscape help please

                            Thank you everybody, an interesting debate.

                            I have confused taking a picture as a record of our holiday with producing an image for photographic purposes. I will be going with the more dramatic look for this one because I think it has potential to be a reasonable landscape shot.

                            The discussion has helped me to see where to go, thank you.
                            Shirley
                            www.shirleyhollisenterprises.co.uk
                            www.photographsbyshirley.co.uk

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                            • #15
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                              I do like Paul's take on this.
                              Stephen

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