New Licence anyone...??

[Rocknroll59]

So the driverless cars are probably needing you to take a new test and have a new licence !! Can't see the point, I'd rather keep awake and alert and drive as I normally do in a standard car....I can see the insurance companies making a killing on the insurance for these....anyway we already have driverless travel it's called a train and I would much prefer that to a driverless car...

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/driverless-car-owners-could-need-a-new-licence-safety-fears-spark-plans-to-introduce-driving-tests-to-ensure-motorists-pay-attention-rather-than-fall-asleep-or-watch-movies/ar-AAvVo8l?li=AAnZ9Ug&ocid=mailsignout

Peter...

[pdk42]

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I wouldn't believe anything I read on MSN.

[Phill D]

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I'd like to think my trains still have a driver

[timboo]

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I'd like to think my trains still have a driver

DLR in London is generally driverless :-)

[Rocknroll59]

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Was on the BBC website this week, and I think it was a link to the Daily Mail !!, although I don't take too much notice of newspapers these days..

I meant me driving , my son and brother are train drivers, I just can't see how it will work effectively...1 person has already been killed in the USA,my point was if you need a test to just sit watching in front of you in case you need to take over what is the point!!

[drmarkf]

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...1 person has already been killed in the USA,my point was if you need a test to just sit watching in front of you in case you need to take over what is the point!!

Just as a benchmark, around 100 people are killed per day on American roads by or in drivered vehicles. We don’t hear very much about them on the front page of U.K. newspapers, do we?

[CJJE]

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So these driverless cars will be watching out for cars on a collision course with them, and braking to keep their occupants safe...

So if you see one approaching you (with priority) at a junction or roundabout and pull out in front of it, it will brake to avoid hitting you...

So once every driver cottons on and starts pulling out in front of them...

Will driverless cars ever complete a journey???

[drmarkf]

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So once every driver cottons on and starts pulling out in front of them...

Will driverless cars ever complete a journey???

[Rocknroll59]

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We're talking ratios here...number of driverless cars on the road? probably less than 100, cars with drivers on the road, tens of millions...

I'm talking about the need for a licence to just sit in these vehicles!! What is the point if insurance companies are going to say ..'you've made a claim as you have crashed etc etc but we cannot pay out as you were not watching at the time of the accident'...with the recent hacking of various apps, computers etc etc how long before the Russians take over driving our cars

[Wally]

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So, we're expecting a serious hackking issue in the very near future with utilities, and other infrasteucture etc., at serious risk of disruption. Joe Public in the main, is expected to ward off serious hacking attempts and we add yet more risk elements to the mix.

There's been a warning regards Chinese routers etc., with BT saying we have robust security measures blah, blah, blah. I've checked my various 'Chinese routers' over the years and, my most recent - a week old - guess what? Yep! It's on the hit list.

I've found this link useful... Just remember, nothing is completely fool proof. https://www.lifewire.com/how-to-hack...router-2487654

[drmarkf]

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We're talking ratios here...number of driverless cars on the road? probably less than 100, cars with drivers on the road, tens of millions...

Yes, of course, I was just pointing out that the current situation is wildly unacceptable, but we have become accustomed to it. Self guided vehicles need time to prove themselves because the potential for saving human lives and injuries is massive.

New things and changes to accepted practice always generate concern and unwarranted fears - as those forum members old enough to remember the mandatory imposition of seat belts will recall.

This is interesting: https://avsincities.bloomberg.org

[Naughty Nigel]

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Yes, of course, I was just pointing out that the current situation is wildly unacceptable, but we have become accustomed to it. Self guided vehicles need time to prove themselves because the potential for saving human lives and injuries is massive.

New things and changes to accepted practice always generate concern and unwarranted fears - as those forum members old enough to remember the mandatory imposition of seat belts will recall.

This is interesting: https://avsincities.bloomberg.org

We routinely kill eight or nine people a day on our roads in the UK (3,000 a year), and maim many more. These figures have improved significantly over the past twenty years or so owing to the improved design and safety systems incorporated into modern cars, but the numbers are still too high.

Put it another way, these figures represent twenty fully loaded 737 aircraft falling out of the skies over the UK every year, or several busy commuter trains crashing with all passengers perishing.

Somehow it has become socially acceptable to kill or be killed on the roads, to the point that we rarely hear about individual road deaths, and is only when several people are killed in one incident that the newspapers take an interest.

Unfortunately the authorities have only used this as an excuse for making money by persecuting otherwise safe drivers for straying a few MPH over speed limits in carefully selected locations, rather than improving the standard of driving generally.

I'm not sure that I like the idea of driverless cars as I still enjoy driving up to a point, but I must admit there are occasions, usually in nose-to-tail traffic on the M6 that I wish the car would just drive itself, or that I could have a lift home on the back of a transporter!

[Rocknroll59]

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Drifting off the course here...my point is about a new licence not driverless cars and the ratio of deaths between now and in 25 years time. Firstly no one knows how these vehicles will operate on our roads and how many people will be killed by them if you do know give me next weeks lottery numbers please

My point again is the insurance companies will make a fortune out of driverless cars as surely the insurance would be for the vehicle not the driver as we are not controlling it !! (apparently), so there we are driving along in our controlled car talking about where we are going with the wife, suddenly BOOM we hit someone or something unexpected and beyond the control of the car, we are supposed to be keeping our eyes on the road to take control if a incident happens, so that's the debate, seatbelts are a completely different issue and with respect part of the ongoing safety of vehicles for many years, not seed change which takes away control of the vehicle from individuals to who knows who. If facebook can sell/give details away easily how will you be able to stop all the data on these cars being 'stolen'.
Also when sat navs came into play it did and still does take people in places where they should not go, (it happened to me, a police road only up onto the motorway I was astute and awake enough not to go there.)

So getting back to my point can't see the point of needing a new licence.

[drmarkf]

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Why would you expect to read about USA collisions ?

Because the driverless vehicle death was in the US.

Anyway, back to the original topic...

[Naughty Nigel]

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A driverless car will almost certainly need to be 'programmed' by the driver in much the same way that the autopilot on an aircraft must also be programmed with course, cruising altitude, coordinates and so forth. There will also be other requirements for safe operation.

If there was no need for a licence then presumably anyone could 'drive' a driverless car including those disqualified for drink driving or driving under the influence of drugs.

Furthermore, driverless cars are not autonomous, so presumably it would be perfectly possible for our disqualified driver to override the controls to jump lights, exceed speed limits and so forth.