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  • Shocking, sickening, and illegal...

    The sicko's/saddo's/idiotic nutters who carry out this sort of poisoning should be found and locked up.

    So sad, so very sad.



    I don't know what to say, apart from sorry for having to post this.
    John


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    A very sad sight to see John, I agree.
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    • #3
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      John a very sad story indeed ! I did not know peep poisoned birds it seriously makes me wonder ...

      Is it a sick person with mental disorder problems ?

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      Maybe it was a Racing Pigeon person ? they dont like their racing birds being taken and I know its not uncommon for these peeps to shot offending birds, whatever protected status !

      Having spent so many hours over at PeterD's meadow field observing the PG Falcons their I makes me particularly sad
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        Very sad, and unfortunately not uncommon in the Scottish Borders. Working in the country, I come into contact with many gamekeepers who confess to "having known" people who do this sort of thing. Of course, it's always someone else, not themselves.

        And more unfortunately, it's all too often the landowners who privately "encourage" their keepers to carry out these acts. They decry them in public, but in private pay for the legal defence of their keepers if caught.
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        • #5
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          Originally posted by StephenL View Post
          And more unfortunately, it's all too often the landowners who privately "encourage" their keepers to carry out these acts. They decry them in public, but in private pay for the legal defence of their keepers if caught.
          I wonder how many times a year this little scene gets acted out:

          Laird on horseback to gamekeeper standing humbly outside his tied cottage:
          "I see you've settled nicely in the cottage I've provided with the job".

          Gamekeeper, touching cap respectfully:
          "Aye Sir, me, my wife and bairn are quite comfortable."

          Laird:
          "The shooting's been pretty poor lately, what's the problem, man?"

          Gamekeeper:
          "I'm sorry Sir, but it's not been so good since yon eagles and falcons have set up on the crags."

          Laird:
          "I have the Chief Constable and Magistrate as guests this weekend for the shooting. They'll be pretty disappointed if they don't get a decent bag!"

          Gamekeeper - eyes downcast and now clutching his cap in sweating hands:
          "I'm sorry Sir!"

          Laird - sternly:
          "Hmm, see to the matter my man, see to the matter!"

          Laird rides off, while gamekeeper searches anxiously for the carbofuran secreted in his shed.

          Jim

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          • #6
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            If you click on the link to "four Goshawks and one Buzzard found dead" and scroll down to the second picture - that was on my Facebook newsfeed over 2 weeks ago as I am a member of RSPB Love Nature on FB.

            Very sickening indeed.

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              I'm not convinced of the gamekeeper scenario up here so much.
              Carbofuran was banned several years ago. 2003 therabouts I think.
              Unfortunately like Paraquat before it, it remains around farms and similar establishments. Often these days in unmarked containers.
              Paraquat was surprisingly often drunk from the bottle (old lemonade). I can't think of any survivors.
              Carbofuran, I understand, is often put out in dead bait to poison rats. The trouble is raptors don't recognise this and spot an easy meal. About a third of all Red Kites released and born in Scotland have died of this.
              Not an excuse, just a statement of what's happening.
              What no-one hears of is how many foxes, badgers, stoats, collie dogs, etc. have also been poisoned.
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              • #8
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                True, the majority of landowners and keepers now behave honestly and decently. But I can name at least two keepers in this part of the world who have privately admitted to "encouraging" the disappearance of birds of prey.

                And I can personally testify that Jim's scenario is not unheard of, for many things.
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                  The saddest thing is that these two Peregrines are a male and female and presumably a breeding pair. What happened to their young? It doesn't say but although they may have fledged they may not have become fully independant hunters, so this poisoning could have killed up to six birds!

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                  • #10
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                    It is only sick if you consider man to be civilised...
                    But acts like this in our country and around the world and even to our own species ... shows man to be deluded in how wonderful he is...
                    Its a cryin' shame...
                    hopefully one day we will wake up and realise greed is not the answer...
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                    • #11
                      Re: Shocking, sickening, and illegal...

                      Originally posted by StephenL View Post
                      Very sad, and unfortunately not uncommon in the Scottish Borders. Working in the country, I come into contact with many gamekeepers who confess to "having known" people who do this sort of thing. Of course, it's always someone else, not themselves.

                      And more unfortunately, it's all too often the landowners who privately "encourage" their keepers to carry out these acts. They decry them in public, but in private pay for the legal defence of their keepers if caught.
                      Also common on the Cheshire/Welsh border. I've been threatened by gamekeepers in the past, I didn't back down and they didn't have the b***s to carry out their threats. I 'let it be known' that if I found poison bait I'd feed it to the gamekeeper responsible for the land.

                      When Peregrines started nesting at a location in Cheshire there had to be a 24/7 watch kept on the nest to protect it from pigeon racers, egg collectors, falconers and gamekeepers. One year I was doing the night shift on my own and 'let it be known' I toss anyone I caught off the cliff.

                      I'm not a nice person when I come to things like this.
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                      • #12
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                        What a mess and idioticy (<= if this is a word?)! And I need to agree with John's intro comment ...

                        But excactly the wrong thing to know about - becaue I came here this evening to relax a little bit Now I would like to peel the skin of someone
                        I wonder how the Peregrines devored the poison?! Never heard they would take carrion etc.
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                        • #13
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                          I think it has all been said what a waste and why?
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                          • #14
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                            There is not much more I can add to this - it is so shocking. how anyone can do this to what may be a breeding pair beggers belief.

                            My question is 'Why?' - do they do so much harm to young livestock, game birds or to the environment to warrant eradicating? Falcons, like most raptors, are such beautiful and proud looking birds....such a shame...such a waste..
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                            • #15
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                              Have to agree, Steve. When I read this, and the other report on the same www site (1 Buzzard and 4 (yes 4!) Goshawks) I was very, very sad.
                              John

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