AI powered post processing tools

[BDennis]

This article on the Amateur Photographer site got me thinking about AI tools for PP, it is looking at tools in Photoshop and Lightroom which I don’t have

https://amateurphotographer.com/technique/best-ai-powered-tools-for-photo-editing/

In CaptureOne Pro which I use there is an AI masking feature and in DxO PureRaw I use the AI noise reduction.

The article mentions AI generative fill and expand. I would find these useful as for some wildlife shots I end up with the subject too close to the edge of the frame and want to generate more space expanding the frame - and it’s not always sky!

For some scenic shots I end up with space I want to fill if I do a pano stitch or rotations and keystone corrections.

I have fiddled around with masks and cloning in CaptureOne but its AI generative tooling is quite limited - just to generating masks.

Does anyone use AI features like this in other software? I need to check if the latest version of Affinity has anything like this - I know it has a context aware fill type of tool in my current version. I could just switch to Lightroom when my C1Pro license is up for renewal!

Bill

[wornish]

Photoshop certainly has generative fill but generative expand is only available in the beta version currently.
They both work amazingly well. The AI noise reduction in Lightroom is now as good as any other app out there imho.
Most apps now do subject selection and sky selection but again the PS/LR offerings are still more sophisticated and can easily handle things like hair and foliage detail selection which many others struggle with.

ON1 seems to be going from strength to strength and their latest ON1 Photo Raw 2024 offering includes a lot of AI tools but still nothing like the PS tools.

Topaz have quietly declared that Topaz Photo AI is the future, and the other AI apps won't be getting any new features.

Capture One recently announced layoffs so that would worry me. They also have introduced a subscription model.

DxO Pure Raw is popular and has many satisfied users but no sign of any AI tools yet.

It's a minefield out there. The only thing for certain is the demands on your desktop are growing.

[Phill D]

A friend of mine has been experimenting with the PS ones and gave a presentation at our local camera club last week. Some of the demos were stunning and unbelievably quick to do. He is a member here but doesn't post very often. I'll ask him if he's happy to post a few before and after examples.

[gazza95]

As a capture one user and adobe subscriber, my route would be to use capture one to do exposure/colour adjustment and then photoshop to do anything special. That way all images are reference in capture one.

I struggle to keep up with all the new features in photoshop.

Gary

[BelperJim]

Hi Bill, i have been using AI for a while with photoshop and found it incredible. On the post above someone said the expand is only available on the Beta version but this is available on normal photoshop. I'll put a couple pf examples on. The Gen Fill is amazing it even puts in reflections.

[BDennis]

Wow that looks good Jim thanks for sharing this. It’s more than I need adding swans and things in but would be fun to play with!

[Phill D]

They look great Jim. I remember seeing you do the demo at the club night, just typing in Swan and getting the Swan and its reflection was like pure magic. I think it took you longer to say what you were going to do than actually do it!

[Ian]

Generative AI could be fun and may even prove useful from time to time, but machine-taught image quality improvement tools are my main focus (noise, sharpening, scaling, and even exposure/tone - the latter will probably be widespread soon). Anything you do manually at the moment, AI will offer to do for you sooner or later!

Ian

[Graham_of_Rainham]

If AI is being used to generate new software capabilities and presumably improve its own ability to do such things, then there must be a decrease in the cost of producing software….

So when will we get to see the cost benefits of this technology?

[jdal]

If AI is being used to generate new software capabilities and presumably improve its own ability to do such things, then there must be a decrease in the cost of producing software….

So when will we get to see the cost benefits of this technology?

Don't make me laugh please. I have a sore throat. The chairman of whatever company it is will be able to add another yacht to his/her portfolio,. The price of these kinds of software is more related to market forces than it is to cost of production I reckon, And don't get me started on software companies which go bust. I worked for one. Those above a certain level walked off with the money & the software base leaving behind a load of people on the dole and a lot of unpayable debt.

[Geo]

The Generative expand is very clever, not perfect but pretty good. Took some pics of my pup on a walk this morning, this one I missed her nose as she was running past, added it with Generative Expand.


Before


After!!



Slightly earlier actual pic before she ran out of frame.

[BDennis]

That is pretty good! Not knowing your dog like Ian I can't say if it is an accurate representation.

[Ian]

Wow - that's quite impressive. I suppose the acid test is - does that look like your dog?

Ian

[Geo]

Updates with new pic, what do you think?

[Ian]

What Bill and I would like to know is whether or not the AI-imagined face of your dog looks right. Neither of us have seen your dog, of course. Otherwise, both are very convincing.

[BDennis]

I guess if an AI generated an odd looking image of my pet I wouldn't post it!

[Ian]

Geo I'll have to try this with my dog - she's light coloured and has a pinky brown nose rather then the usual black colour. It will be very interesting to see if the AI gets that right!

Ian

[Phill D]

Jim's got one of a lady in a cornfield where the arms are cropped off and the AI expanded it to show her arms and the background field. He also transferred a studio model shot when the model asked to be transported to a tropical island. he not only did that in a few seconds the AI changed her clothes into a swimsuit. All mind boggling.

[Ian]

Geo I'll have to try this with my dog - she's light coloured and has a pinky brown nose rather then the usual black colour. It will be very interesting to see if the AI gets that right!

Ian

I got around to trying this and, impressively, PS retained a pink nose rather than a more typically black one. Our dog isn't a pure-bred so it's rather interesting that all three choice were the correct hue, if varying quite a bit in shape.

Ian