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Reinhard Wagner (German Olympus specialist) writes in his blog that the new firmware improved the S-AF precision a lot.
Can anyone confirm that?
Can anyone confirm that?
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Is this the same guy who claimed that the OM1 had 2-stops better noise performance and 1-stop better DR? -
Hmm, that sounds like an admission that S-AF precision needs improving....?Comment
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I do not think so. He is generally quite grumpyOriginally posted by pdk42 View Post
. He is the guy who writes the best Olympus books in German.
Anyway, has anyone who has seen issues with S-AF before (there were plenty of reports) seen any improvements with 1.1?Comment
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AFAIK, there were a lot of reports on this forum that S-AF needed improvements.Originally posted by Phill D View PostComment
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I have never experienced an S-AF precision problem and the firmware update was never intended to fix that afaik.
I do not normally use the high speed EVF refresh rate but when I tried it using firmware 1.0 the freezing issue did happen.
I have now updated to firmware 1.1 and the problem has been fixed. I certainly can't duplicate it any more. so that is a positive. The update worked as OM-Systems promised!
Why are users on here so sceptical and seem want to hear bad news?
The OM1 is a superb camera imho but it seems expectations of some are not being met?
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Only expectations that OMDS themselves created (2-stops better noise, 1-stop better DR)!but it seems expectations of some are not being met?
I don't think that's the case. I hope that OMDS fix the SAF problem that I experienced.Why are users on here so sceptical and seem want to hear bad news?
I think it's a pretty good camera too. I'll probably get once when the SAF problem I had is fixed.The OM1 is a superb camera imho
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I’m away from home so can’t test mine, but there seem to be some complex SAF/flicker/frame rate issues being reported here on dpreview, which I can’t quite get my head around. Some of what’s reported there I believe is the opposite of what some people on here have reported, and some seem not to be fixed in the new firmware update:
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Too much Oly gear.
Panasonic 8-18 & 15.
Assorted legacy lenses, plus a Fuji X70 & a Sony A7Cii.Comment
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I didn't play around with the anti-flicker and frame rate settings that much Mark, but I did set it to 50Hz and left the refresh rate at the default (lower) setting, which seems to match what the OP said in that thread. And the problem I observed only seemed to happen indoors with relatively dim lighting (but still well within the capabilities of other Oly cameras I've owned). -
It’s very interesting and somewhat confusing as so far reported by different people: there’s clearly something fundamental going on, but there are contradictory aspects in some reports. As you know, I tried really hard (400 replications, as I recall) to reproduce your issues under LED lights in a variety of similar low-light conditions and didn’t get a single instance of the camera showing that persistent SAF failure.
Anyway, I’m spending a couple of days in London doing street now, deliberately including a lot of night shooting, and I’m taking the OM-1 rather than my usual 5iii in part to see how it performs in practice under those sort of conditions. I’ll report back. -
I did a range of night street shooting styles in New Bond St, although my feet were feeling sore after a day shooting in Brick Lane and Bethnal Green so I didn’t spend as long as I’d initially intended. I didn’t notice any particular SAF or CAF issues that stood out as different from what I’m used to with the 5iii. In no way scientific, but at least no false focus confirmations, lockups or unusually oof images resulted.
I’ll post some in Foto Fair.
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I’m seeing quite a lot of complaints on Facebook of failures to do the update or it not loading etc , but reading between the lines I think these are from new to the system users that have not done a firmware update on olympus before and/or using normal usb cable instead of the supplied one .
This is one of the failings of the system for new owners and really there should at least be a separate how to update properly broadsheet supplied with every camera . If it wasn’t for this forum I would probably have bricked mine by nowComment
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Updating via USB to a computer that then downloads the image over the internet while the camera is connected is far from ideal. Dropping an update file into an SD card is far simpler and many other manufacturers do this. In fact, Olympus cameras support it, but it’s a hidden feature. I don’t understand why Olympus/OMDS continue with the method they use. Worse, they’ve withdrawn the update program and wrapped its features into OW, so you now need to install a program of several hundred MB just to do the update. -
I am familiar with Olympus firmware updates.On my PC, it was impossible.to update the OM-1 firmware. I got all kinds of different error messages and windows popping up telling me to put a disk in drive F. When I connected the camera to my laptop, I had a couple of errors message but suddenly it worked. After well over an hour of sweating it!
OM-1 System needs to improve and simplify the update procedure.
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My Internet connection in Hawaii is slightly flaky. It sometimes takes several "Try Again"'s to get to a web site. Workspace won't connect to the server, so I am leaving any updates etc until I return to South Wales.............AF or not...
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Just relating my experience - I haven’t noticed any changes to S-AF performance after the update myself.
I was one of the people who could originally recreate the issue seen by pdk42 and it happened just by chance as I was playing around with bird subject AF one evening and I had it set to S-AF and I got that focus confirmation issue with blurred shots loads of times both with and without the subject AF. Often when this happened it kept doing it until I re-powered the camera.
Using the OM-1 out and about for scenics and bird shots etc, I have not had any issues like this at all that I can remember for S-AF scenics or perched bird shots. The C-AF bird subject AF for flight shots has been fantastic. Maybe if S-AF didn’t focus sometimes I just recomposed and tried again. My recent experience with the new firmware has been the same for bird flight shots.
I tried playing around with S-AF again today with my 100-400 pointing it at a random object on my windowsill and with the new firmware. I can still repeatedly get the AF confirmation with blurred shots using S-AF. It mostly happens with the smallest focus point and it much less likely if you use a cluster of points on the subject.
The subject is this radio below. You can see it is backlight with the window behind, so not great lighting. If a single AF point is placed on the black winder handle it is low contrast and I will quite often get a blurred shot even though I get a steady green focus confirmation circle. Sometimes the green circle flashes to show it is not focused, but this blurry shot below did have focus confirmation.
If I use the small cluster of points or the cross points pattern, I will get good focus nearly every time but sometimes it still fails to focus (with focus confirm). It is most reliable if I place the focus points over the speaker grill of the radio. Although I get this focus confirmation / blurred image scenario I don’t seem to get the issue I had before where it gets stuck in a mode and I have to re-power the camera.
After finding this with my OM-1, I wondered what would my E-M1 Mk3 do with the same subject, same lens and this lighting scenario. So I swapped on my Mk3 and set it to S-AF with the smallest single focus point. The Mk3 got focus confirmation and a well focused image pretty much every time. It didn’t seem to matter where I put the small (but larger then OM-1) focus point on the subject. The few times it didn’t focus the focus confirmation dot flashed to indicate this.
I’m not trying to bash the OM-1 or anything, it is a fine camera for me. This S-AF thing is just what I have found playing around and it is not a scientific controlled test - I am just sitting in a chair pointing my camera at stuff. It seems to me that the focus behaviour of the OM-1 is different from the other cameras like the Em-1 Mk3 though. I always tended to use the smallest single focus point to get precise focus on a subject but it seems like with the OM-1 it is such a small focus point that this can hit a low contrast area perhaps? I’m thinking it might be better to use a small cluster of points. Perhaps there is some setting I have failed to set or set the wrong way.
Another odd thing I have noticed with the OM-1 is that sometimes when the focus is hunting, you don’t just get the sound of the lens focus motors but the camera IS mechanism seems to make a whirring noise as it tries to focus. It doesn’t happen every time but it happens a lot if you put the focus point on a low contrast part of the subject, like the black parts of this radio here. Maybe it is trying to jiggle the sensor around to get better focus?
Focus confirmation and good focus:
I got focus confirm with this but it is completely blurred:
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When I use the small cluster group I have to aim slightly higher to obtain focus- not have the "object" in the centre , I know someone else who finds that as well, when out last night waiting for the owl, I was playing around using C1 shaped like a letterbox as I did not want the undergrowth to affect the focus . I wondered if the actual focus area is slightly bigger than the set focus box - it seemed that way which would explain my thoughts on the small box. However I did get some good pics even at iso8000 , as DXO has not as yet included the OM1 profile I used OM Workspace AI but found the Affinity Photo did a better job of the noise IMO. -
Interesting comments guys. I think I got something similar yesterday when shooting the Little Owl. Can't be sure of details yet as I did change settings quite a bit but it did seem very similar to what you are quoting here. I was using the electronic shutter and CAF all the time and the shots looked in focus at the time but on looking at the images most were disappointingly oof. It just seems like the AF system takes a nap occasionally. It's pretty annoying as I was starting to really trust the camera to deliver after a few initial issues but this has really knocked my confidence.
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Just updated from Hawaii. I have very fast internet speed here, about 186mb/s, but it takes several goes to get a connection. Assume its because we are on an outlying connection.
Anyway, managed to upload WS after several goes, and the same with the camera update. A stressful 2 to 3 minutes whilst it was updating.....
Now off to see what the package brought...phew..
Edit: other than loosing the time, I can’t see much difference at the mo 🫤Last edited by MJ224; 2 June 2022, 01:02 AM.Comment
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I too feel that the S-AF behavior has not been improved.
When I took a still image after updating the firmware, there were several instances where the camera would display in-focus, but there would be a slight blurring of the image.
As a side note, after updating to firmware Ver. 1.1, a problem occurred.
When shooting with low vibration shooting (electronic first curtain + mechanical shutter), the image would turn black even after repeatedly turning the power on and off, removing the battery, and changing lenses, with no improvement. After several repetitions, the camera operates at a shutter speed longer than the set value, freezes, and turns off.
The temperature is 28°C on a sunny day and the camera body tends to get hot.
I am unsure if this is a problem with the shutter unit or due to a firmware update, so I am inquiring with OMDS.Comment
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>>BDennis
The camera is set to anti-shock shutter and the standby time is set to 0 seconds.
Since it was not possible to stop shooting when the event occurred, the camera continued to shoot with the electronic shutter immediately afterwards.
Then, after a 2-hour break in the shade, we tried low-vibration photography again, and it no longer occurred.
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Does your OM-1 take about 4 seconds to boot up??
it suddenly seems to be a lot longer than before the update 😦Comment
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I'm using XCll 128gb cards in both slots and the camera boots by the time I count to 1. My experience with the updated firmware is that with the single focus point it either focuses or does not, the latter on low contrast images. When I was using a loaned camera, with original firmware, I did have some difficulties with focus but I did not record the particular parameters, nor can I recall those.
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I haven’t noticed a difference in boot up time. I have 2 x 64Gb cards in the camera.
I just tried to time my OM-1 switch on time to when I can take a shot. I think it is about 3 seconds, not sure what it was before the update. Not a well controlled test but I aim it at a stopwatch running only my iPad. When the timer seconds is just about to turn from the 9 to a 10 multiple, I turn it on and take a shot. I get about 3 seconds - so if seconds is “:09” I when I go to switch on the shot taken shows :13”. I did it on the 09 due to my reactions, which is why I think about 3 seconds after trying this a few times. I also tried this with wake from the quick sleep and got about 2 seconds. I use quick sleep quite a lot as I can walk for miles before I see some wildlife I want to take pictures of. The loud click from the switch might scare something off (say if one came upon a fox..).
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FWIW
I updated my OM-1 a few minutes ago:-
It went smoothly though at a few steps I saw the SD symbol flashing and Windows 10 dialogue boxes popped up "what do you want to do with memory card....". These dialogues closed as the updating did its thing.
As reported by others, I had to reset the Date & Time.
Hopefully nothing untoward to the way it works compared to the way it did before the update
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I ran into a problem with the Update.
The PC, an old ASUS with those USB A type socket. I used the EM1.2 cable. The camera was detected but a flash/notice came on for me to RESTART the PC. Which I did and after the restart, OM Workspace requires a new Update to 2.0.1. That worked fine but when I plug in the camera, nothing happened
The PC did not detect the camera and there was none of that Plug in, Storage selection on the camera either.
. Tried a different cable, (Huawei ori) nothing 
. Different Port, also nothing 
. Went to a desktop, Switch on, it says Windows update 
. After the update, Won't detect the camera. 
So how am I suppose to update to Firmware 1.1
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Can't wait for the images though 
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