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    I thought it might be useful to start a drone thread as there seems to be quite a bit of interest. I've wanted something like this for years having hung my Canon SureShot under a parafoil kite I made triggered with RC gear from my model gliders many years ago. The results were very random and mostly blurred. Camera drones are now getting very good. I was tempted by the new DJI Mavic 3 with its 4/3 sensor main camera, but it's very expensive, and was released prematurely to catch the Christmas market. There seem to be a lot of crashes, and it has a lower quality tele camera bolted on top, making the gimbal large and vulnerable. Firmware updates are already improving it though.

    I decided to get the DJI Air 2S with its 1" sensor and 22mm equivalent f2.8 lens. It gets great reviews including on DP Review, and recommended as the best camera drone for most people, including beginners. The Fly More combo is great value at the moment for around the same price as the Sony RX100 Mk VII with its 1" sensor, and that doesn't fly! It does have a zoom lens though. It's a difficult time to spend on drones, as the regulations are in flux after various idiots have endangered aircraft near airports etc. There will be new class-marked drones needed to fully meet the new regs coming at the start of 2023, but new drones like the Mavic 3 still can't have the mark, as it's not finalised yet! (Edit: Looks like the scheme won't be ready, so likely to be delayed.) It and others may get them retrospectively, otherwise they become legacy drones limited to A3 flying - 150m from civilisation, 50m from uninvolved people basically. At present, drones under 250g are partially exempt from some restrictions, so can be flown from your garden and near people. The DJI Mini 2 is a great example, but of course has a smaller sensor, but still very capable. Many controllers use your smartphone as a screen, so make sure your phone is compatible. DJI are slow to add Samsung phones. Autel make some powerful drones too, and the market changes every year of course. Ian has a Parrot Anafi. (Edit: The DJI Mini 3 Pro is now out, and a compelling, if expensive choice for the under 250g class. Further edit: and now the DJI Mini 3, cheaper as it has 4K 30p max, and no obstacle avoidance.)

    Before buying anything, it's worth researching on the legalities, and check reviews for reliability and any known issues, which are sometimes fixed with firmware updates. Drones are incredibly complex and capable bits of kit now, but have lots of clever software to make much of it easy. DJI drones and some other makes are geo-fenced, stopping you take-off in restricted areas near airports etc. The first thing to read for the UK is the CAA Drone Code: https://register-drones.caa.co.uk/drone-code Everyone needs an Operator ID, renewable annually, which must be displayed on the craft, unless it's a toy or has no camera. For drones over 250g, you need to pass a simple multiple choice test to get the Flyer ID which lasts 5 years. The Drone Code tells you the basics of where you can fly, but there are many extra by-laws for places like national parks, the National Trust etc who generally try to forbid flying! It's a grey area though, as the CAA control the airspace, so unless you are invading privacy, disturbing people or wildlife, it's debatable whether they can stop you. They may give you a permit for specific purposes if you give then some dosh of course! With drones generally having a bad rap in the public mind, it's best to be cautious and considerate at all times. Everyone loves good drone footage (huge amounts as fillers on programmes these days), but most people hate drones!

    I did lots of research on forums before buying. In the UK, the Grey Arrows is quite useful: https://greyarro.ws/ and for DJI drones, this is a great worldwide resource: https://mavicpilots.com/ with drone specific forums, and a UK one: https://mavicpilots.com/forums/united-kingdom.39/ DJI have their own forums too: https://forum.dji.com/

    Drones are expensive and complex bits of kit, and prone to the occasional crash. They are mostly operator error, but sometimes the software can cause them. I got DJI's Care Refresh package for a year, which gives you a couple of cheap replacements. Worth considering third party insurance too. I may join the BMFA for theirs, along with other benefits: https://bmfa.org/ and specifically: https://britishdroneflyers.org/ If you plan to shoot professionally, that needs extra qualifications and insurance.

    Do add your drone shots, questions and knowledge here...
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    Obviously you need somewhere safe to learn to fly, though they are remarkably easy if you don't rush it. I'm very lucky, as I know Bob, the owner of the local flood meadows through photographing his fields and trees for years. He's happy for me to fly there (on the dry bits!), and I can give him some great aerials of his land and trees in exchange. He's done a lot of conservation work and tree planting. It's perfect, as I can stay well away from people and houses to avoid annoying anyone, and wonderfully scenic through the seasons.

    I won't upload drone shots here directly, as they are obviously not Oly-related. I'll post some to my Flickr page regularly: https://www.flickr.com/photos/bruce-clarke/ Here's one of the better ones of the River Thame between Stadhamton and Chiselhampton, Chiselhampton House in the background. The Raws edit well in LrC.

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    • #3
      I tried a 360 sphere pano yesterday, and was impressed by the stitching and exposure done in the air by the drone. It took 26 shots automatically in a gusty 20mph plus wind - I have the Raws, but the JPG as it comes is pretty good with light editing, so I probably won't bother with the hassle of stitching the Raws. Finding a standalone 360 viewer seemed hard, they mostly need web servers set up. This one works well across the usual platforms: https://www.fsoft.it/FSPViewer/ Posting to Facebook was hard work. It doesn't work from the desktop browser site, but I found from a search that posting from the PC on the mobile site did for some reason! https://m.facebook.com/ Best viewed on a large monitor full screen, but OK on a phone, and will pan as you spin it round:
      https://www.facebook.com/10000073268...6141204420251/
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      • #4
        If anyone wants a drone and associated gear, pm me I have a mavic Air with kit sitting in a box that could do with a new home. Grey Arrows is a superb forum with lots of useful info and expertise.
        Bruce I think that it is a great idea to include a drone thread on this forum.

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        • #5
          Thanks for starting this thread Bruce. I think I will get one in the new year. The Air 2 S looks like the best option. Somewhat ironically given that I'm an aviator, all this CAA regulation puts me off. I'm battling with them at the moment to convert my D-registered glider to a G-reg. It's now two months and counting (although to be fair a chunk of that was the Germans, whose LBA seems to have most of the same bureaucratic issues as the CAA). I'll read up on those links you posted.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by pdk42 View Post
            Thanks for starting this thread Bruce. I think I will get one in the new year. The Air 2 S looks like the best option. Somewhat ironically given that I'm an aviator, all this CAA regulation puts me off. I'm battling with them at the moment to convert my D-registered glider to a G-reg. It's now two months and counting (although to be fair a chunk of that was the Germans, whose LBA seems to have most of the same bureaucratic issues as the CAA). I'll read up on those links you posted.
            Pleasure Paul. I know there are a few drone pilots here already, but thought it may help newcomers, as it can seem quite intimidating, and takes quite a bit of research without guidance. I enjoy getting stuck into finding out about new things like this, but it does take time, and there are many distractions, like watching classy landscape videos made with drones. The Air 2S came out last April, surprised people with the level of features, and its firmware is nicely mature, unlike the Mavic 3! The price has come down. It could be replaced with the Air 3 later in the year of course, and they may do a rapid replacement for the Mavic 3. I suspect development suffered from Covid limitations.

            I think the CAA have done a good job with the drone code, but all complicated by Brexit, and the standards body not being ready to certify drones yet. Good luck with the Chermans, don't mention the war
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            • #7
              Before Christmas I had a leak somewhere on the roof and got my Parrot Anafi out to have a look - unfortunately, I was out of practice and bounced it off the wall! I had to change two props but even after that it's still flying erratically (with no contribution of any lack of skills from me).

              With all the drones I've tried (apart from the beginner drone I started off with) I have found that they produce very good 360 spherical panos. The Anafi is particularly good because its camera has a 180 degree up/down gimbal, so if there was something directly above, it would be in-shot.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Ian View Post
                Before Christmas I had a leak somewhere on the roof and got my Parrot Anafi out to have a look - unfortunately, I was out of practice and bounced it off the wall! I had to change two props but even after that it's still flying erratically (with no contribution of any lack of skills from me).

                With all the drones I've tried (apart from the beginner drone I started off with) I have found that they produce very good 360 spherical panos. The Anafi is particularly good because its camera has a 180 degree up/down gimbal, so if there was something directly above, it would be in-shot.

                Ian
                Oh dear Ian, sorry about that. Time for a new one with object avoidance? Sounds like the motors might have been damaged. Any repairers locally? How does it avoid the props doing a 360? I guess yours must be able to hold a steeper angle on the body. Mine has a fairly wide dead area above, but not too noticeable if sky.
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                • Bruce Clarke
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                  Ah, looking at a photo of the Anafi, I see the gimbal has no cowl above, and the props are quite small allowing a clear view straight up. Cunning till you hit something!

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                  I had a small DJI Spark before that and I think it had some forwards collision detection but it wasn't infallible.

              • #9
                I snapped up a Mavic Mini Fly More from Argos on Xmas Eve as it was down to £250. Not great photo quality but video is decent and it's great fun to fly with the minimum of restrictions. Can't wait to get out somewhere more exciting with it.

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                • Bruce Clarke
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                  That's a great price George! I might be tempted to get a Mini 2 as well for playing around nearer civilization, but still loads to learn with the Air 2S, and I will generally be out in the wilds looking for landscapes. It's such a joy suddenly seeing familiar places from a different perspective. Have fun!

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                Tried to grab a quick shot before work this morning as the light was lovely with a bit of scattered snow falling. A bit windy for the Mini though. Up, couple of quick shots and down again. 😊


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                • #11
                  Stretching my wings a bit with the drone now. With the fantastic run of weather last week, I had a great session at Culham Reach on the Thames south of Abingdon on Thursday 13th. As ever, a whole new world opens up from a few hundred feet. Loving the DJI Air 2S. It's fun and easy to fly. It's a powerful camera platform and the Raws edit well in Lightroom Classic. Still being careful about how and where I fly though.

                  Culham Reach by Bruce Clarke, on Flickr

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                  • Ian
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                    I love the long tree shadows!

                  • Bruce Clarke
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                    Thanks, so lucky Ian. Three days with totally clear sunsets casting very late shadows. Usually killed by light haze.

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                    Just got a Flickr Explore on the middle shot, which is nice. Not had one for a while.

                • #12
                  These are delightful to view, but I do not have the hand-eye coordination to operate a drone. I would kill someone in the process.
                  But thanks for sharing your gorgeous scenery from overhead.

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                  • MJ224
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                    Yes i think it must not have been properly fitted. The battery and other other that came with the drone must be about two years old. And I don't use the drone that much now. I managed to buy a third battery from Estonia, as I was suspecting the battery/flight times were going south. £90's worth, and difficult to get hold of...Different form the Air 2, inevitably...

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                    You obviously know it partly discharges the batteries after a period of no use, but there should still be plenty left unless it's been unused for ages. I wonder how well third party batteries work, as there must be some fairly sophisticated circuitry in them? DJI seem to kill off battery supplies after a rather short time. Built-in obsolescence I guess!

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                    Yes, at least Oly are using the same batteries for the EM1's and EM1X...:-)

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                  River Loughor from 100 metres or so, just a lovely day to photo the motorway!!
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                  • Bruce Clarke
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                    Lovely Mark. Just had another session at Lower Radley on the Thames. Great light again.

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                  I've been out flying mine a few mornings and evenings but still not greatly impressed with the stills. Have been doing some videos and may upload to YouTube and share on here.


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                  • Bruce Clarke
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                    Lovely colours George. What's the problem, sharpness? They look good at this size. Which drone do you have? Yes, videos are less demanding on the sensor, do post some links.

                • #15
                  Originally posted by MJ224 View Post

                  River Loughor from 100 metres or so, just a lovely day to photo the motorway!!
                  Nice shot Mark
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