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    Simba - edit advice please by philip Gate Keeper, on Flickr

    Lion - Edit advice by philip Gate Keeper, on Flickr

    The above photo, I spent quite a long time yesterday editing. I tried a vignette but it did not look right, but I could be wrong. It was not a perfect shot, as it was slightly out of focus, but was spot on for a blade of grass and at the time, I could not get close enough to Simba, as he was guarding Bambi.

    I lost direction with this photo.

    How would you do approach this photo, or would you delete it and move on?

    Thank you for looking
    All the best

    Phil
    https://www.flickr.com/gp/gatekeeperphil/44A3Dc

  • #2
    Re: Lost direction

    You might find that a white vignette would look better than the black if that's the way to want to go.
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    • #3
      Re: Lost direction

      Black and white, add a little noise. Sins hidden.

      Else spend another million hours on the editor separating foreground and adding blur just so so that it is correct and balances.

      Else back to the original and give it another shot with some contrast. I like it, again B&W and a little noise. Give it another shot
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      • #4
        Re: Lost direction

        Originally posted by OM USer View Post
        You might find that a white vignette would look better than the black if that's the way to want to go.
        Food for thought. Thank you very much for the encouragement.
        All the best

        Phil
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        • #5
          Re: Lost direction

          Originally posted by al_kaholik View Post
          Black and white, add a little noise. Sins hidden.

          Else spend another million hours on the editor separating foreground and adding blur just so so that it is correct and balances.

          Else back to the original and give it another shot with some contrast. I like it, again B&W and a little noise. Give it another shot
          Thank you for pointing me in another direction, black and white, plus some noise, something I had not considered. In follow up, I will post up the results.
          All the best

          Phil
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          • #6
            Re: Lost direction

            There is a lot of contrast to deal with, but to be honest I think the main problem is the focus.
            John

            "A hundredth of a second here, a hundredth of a second there � even if you put them end to end, they still only add up to one, two, perhaps three seconds, snatched from eternity." ~ Robert Doisneau

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            • #7
              Re: Lost direction

              Originally posted by Zuiko View Post
              There is a lot of contrast to deal with, but to be honest I think the main problem is the focus.
              Thank you. You are so right about the focus. The blades of grass were good, but not Simba. I had the camera set to auto and in another shot it was on Aperture control. I remember trying manual-focus Peaking in white. The light was very bright and I had difficulty in seeing the white outline, so went to auto. I think I should have tried it in black. I am still learning about the camera and how to use it. Thank you for helping.

              I did take another photo of a much younger Lion in the long grass, but he looked very thin and chased us away. Most people would be distressed to see the photo as he was ragged and unwell looking, thin and I suspect he was disease ridden. I reported this sighting to the rangers, as I felt he was in need of being rescued.
              All the best

              Phil
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              • #8
                Re: Lost direction

                How about this:



                I gave it a bit of a "painted" look - it hides the lack of sharpness quite well. I also added a slight lightening vignette and cropped the right slightly to get the lion's eyes on the thirds intersection. I think it's better in landscape since the gaze of the lion takes the eyes across to the left and you can appreciate the anaimal in all its glory as well as taking in some of the environment.

                I really like the shot actually - lovely colours and the lion's pose is excellent.
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                • #9
                  Re: Lost direction

                  Thank you Paul for going to the trouble in turning the photo into a work of art. It shows another medium I had not thought of doing and I like it. I will show this to my wife who spends most of her days painting wild life and landscapes. She is always looking for subjects. What you have done with the photo, is imaginative and adventurous.
                  All the best

                  Phil
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                  • #10
                    Re: Lost direction

                    I like all the above suggestions and it's a shot I'd want to do something with if I took it !

                    How about cloning out the sole blade of grass that conflicts with the lion's nose - leaving the rest which serve to frame his face very well. THEN working on the rest of the processing to your taste ?

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                    • #11
                      Re: Lost direction

                      Originally posted by Kami View Post
                      I like all the above suggestions and it's a shot I'd want to do something with if I took it !

                      How about cloning out the sole blade of grass that conflicts with the lion's nose - leaving the rest which serve to frame his face very well. THEN working on the rest of the processing to your taste ?
                      All the best

                      Phil
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                      • #12
                        Re: Lost direction

                        Originally posted by al_kaholik View Post
                        Black and white, add a little noise. Sins hidden.

                        Else spend another million hours on the editor separating foreground and adding blur just so so that it is correct and balances.

                        Else back to the original and give it another shot with some contrast. I like it, again B&W and a little noise. Give it another shot
                        In follow up, thank you

                        King Cat by philip Gate Keeper, on Flickr
                        All the best

                        Phil
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                        • #13
                          Re: Lost direction

                          Keep trying - something may surprise you.
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                          • #14
                            Re: Lost direction

                            I should be very pleased to get a photo like this. One way to deal with an out of focus subject is to de-focus the rest of the photo, to keep the attention on the subject.

                            To illustrate this method, using Photoshop Elements, I used the lasso tool to select just the lion's head, with the edges feathered by about 5 pixels. Then I inverted the selection and used the gaussian-blur tool to soften all the grasses (and the rest of the image).

                            Next, re-invert back to the original selection of the head. Remember, you don't have to use a clone tool to remove the grasses over the nose. Sometimes, it is better to use the paint tool to draw over the offending bits, picking up the relevant colours with the dropper tool. Once this looks ok, you can apply an unsharp mask to the head selection, keeping an eye on the whiskers for a good result.

                            Finally, since the eyes are always the critical area when viewing a photo, use the lasso on these alone and, after feathering the edges, apply more sharpening to give that crisp 'stare'.

                            I've only spent a few minutes on your pic to illustrate these methods so it's a bit coarse in places, but see what you think.


                            Last edited by MikeOxon; 28th July 2018, 04:26 PM. Reason: typo
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                            • #15
                              Re: Lost direction

                              I think the original may just be a bit muted. A quick sharpen and play with saturation and contrast in OV3 followed by some further (spot) sharpening of the eyes in PSE12 and a very slight lighten of the background with a radial mask to give the slightest of bright vignette.

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