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    There are always ways to improve in photography and in search of such things I will post some shots for suggestion on how improve.

    Remember you can say what you wish as far I am concerned but please do not comapre my work to some french street photographer.

    Here is a shot taken on an Autumn evening on Parton beach.

    Parton waves and rocks mono by Alf Branch, on Flickr

    So waht do you suggest?
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  • #2
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    Ok. I was going to suggest the horizon was not straight but in fact it is perfect.

    I think the headland on the left is fine. I'd like to know what the picture looks like in colour, though the mono look is very nice.

    I guess the obvious comment might be to try a rather longer exposure to smooth those waves more..

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    • #3
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      Initial reaction:

      Missing a foreground.
      Not enough contrast between sea and sky
      Too centred
      What's the subject?

      After some thought:

      Middle (rocks) is lovely - as is texture of sea and just enough smoothing in the nearer water. I like the clouds on the horizon. But the foreground doesn't quite work for me, and the main point of interest - the gap in the rocks and the whirlpool in front of it - are right in the centre. Conventional wisdom says that's a bad idea, though I struggle to explain why. The top half of the sky is not really doing anything for the picture - perhaps try cropping off the top?

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      • #4
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        I think its great as is, and wouldnt dream of giving critique to someone who is obviously on top of their game! Having said that, the left side of the picture is much nicer than the right IMO, just for the better rocks.
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        • #5
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          Looks ok to me. However I'm viewing it on an iPad, so it maybe the device that's making it look very digital to me. Just a suggestion, it might be worth shooting some emulsion to tune your eye into how blacks and whites should look.
          Steve

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          • #6
            Re: Discussions on improvements

            Well Alf, if you want some street photography you've gone to the wrong place. However you have gone to a place that has resulted in some very agreeable pics in the past. In this case I might say crop the top off down to the horizon but that is not a fault of the picture taking as you have a 4:3 lens.
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            • #7
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              Originally posted by snaarman View Post
              Ok. I was going to suggest the horizon was not straight but in fact it is perfect.

              I think the headland on the left is fine. I'd like to know what the picture looks like in colour, though the mono look is very nice.

              I guess the obvious comment might be to try a rather longer exposure to smooth those waves more..

              Pete
              Thanks Pete
              As for exposue time I prefer this type of movenemnet generally I use very long exposues less frequently. Also this was an occasion that spray would have rendered any multi second shoy useless.

              Originally posted by rkc View Post
              Initial reaction:

              Missing a foreground.
              Not enough contrast between sea and sky
              Too centred
              What's the subject?

              After some thought:

              Middle (rocks) is lovely - as is texture of sea and just enough smoothing in the nearer water. I like the clouds on the horizon. But the foreground doesn't quite work for me, and the main point of interest - the gap in the rocks and the whirlpool in front of it - are right in the centre. Conventional wisdom says that's a bad idea, though I struggle to explain why. The top half of the sky is not really doing anything for the picture - perhaps try cropping off the top?
              Thanks for the comment RKC it is interesting to read this and something I will consider. I look forward to seeing work from and welcome to the forum.


              Originally posted by chris View Post
              I think its great as is, and wouldnt dream of giving critique to someone who is obviously on top of their game! Having said that, the left side of the picture is much nicer than the right IMO, just for the better rocks.
              Thanks Chris
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              • #8
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                Originally posted by Ricoh View Post
                Looks ok to me. However I'm viewing it on an iPad, so it maybe the device that's making it look very digital to me. Just a suggestion, it might be worth shooting some emulsion to tune your eye into how blacks and whites should look.
                Thanks Ricoh
                I have not shot printed mono emulsion for over 25 years I have shot and scanned mono more recently. My mono prinbting was not good enough IMO I am happier with digital mono as I can control it much more. Many people only manage to produce mono that IMO is about as good as machine mono prints.

                Originally posted by OM USer View Post
                Well Alf, if you want some street photography you've gone to the wrong place. However you have gone to a place that has resulted in some very agreeable pics in the past. In this case I might say crop the top off down to the horizon but that is not a fault of the picture taking as you have a 4:3 lens.
                Thanks OM
                I am not afraid to crop a shot to get it the may I want it. I can see why you suggest such a crop.
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                • #9
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                  I am not going to show a colour version of the shot above. Here is a colour shot of the same location taken during the same session at the beach.

                  Parton sunset wave on rocks by Alf Branch, on Flickr

                  What do you think about this one?
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                  • #10
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                    Have a preference to the colour version. The "fuller" water level was preferable from the original B/W, but that's just aesthetics (sp??)

                    I do like the mix of milky water and the more precise choppy water in the middle/back ground.

                    Works very well for me. I am just an ordinary punter, probably the one IP Wheatley referred too in Grrr. But I know what I like, and its just that simple for me.....................

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                    • #11
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                      Originally posted by alfbranch View Post
                      Thanks Ricoh
                      I have not shot printed mono emulsion for over 25 years I have shot and scanned mono more recently. My mono prinbting was not good enough IMO I am happier with digital mono as I can control it much more. Many people only manage to produce mono that IMO is about as good as machine mono prints.
                      I do wish that another manufacturer would produce a monochrome digicam, and not leave all the glory to Leica.
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                      • #12
                        Re: Discussions on improvements

                        alfbranch

                        I prefer the colour version, I think it this the black clouds in the B&W version that make it hard to understand. In the colour version it is obvious why they are so dark.

                        I think your photo would benefit from a square crop, not one I use often but it works in this case.

                        I took a screen shot and cropped as an example:



                        Just say of you want me to delete this crop.

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                        • #13
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                          I like the colour image better than the original mono image - I think the composition works better with a bit more of a foreground, plus the colour in the sky means that the sky IS now doing something for the image where in the original it wasn't really.

                          The right hand side of the image is a little dark - Invicta's square crop above has removed this, but you could also lighten it up with a graduated filter in LR or PS I would think.

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                          • #14
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                            The colour version tells a different story altogether. I really like it.

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                            • #15
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                              Originally posted by MJ224 View Post
                              Have a preference to the colour version. The "fuller" water level was preferable from the original B/W, but that's just aesthetics (sp??)

                              I do like the mix of milky water and the more precise choppy water in the middle/back ground.

                              Works very well for me. I am just an ordinary punter, probably the one IP Wheatley referred too in Grrr. But I know what I like, and its just that simple for me.....................

                              My late Dad's mantra was "The Kiss" approach. "Keep it Simple, Stupid"

                              Hey ho.............
                              Thanks Mark
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                              I nice view does not mean a good photograph. My FLickr

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