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    I have been struggling with fulfilling my promise to myself to try and do something in Black/White this year.
    I have had difficulty finding a subject, as most of my photos I prefer in colour.
    Anyway - in for a penny, in for a pound, as they say. Time to put something up and see if I am remotely on the right track.

    This is a photo of a Riverboat Captain I took some time ago, and have always liked. I think I would prefer his face a little lighter - OR - do I keep the weather-beaten look? That is Lyn-talk for "dark". It doesn't seem to "pop".

    My attempt.


    The original - nothing done but resizing.

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    Re: Help with Mono please

    Hi Lyn - Personally, I love mono - and often do conversions, especially of portraits. With this shot though I'd certainly go for far more of a contrast look as currently it appears a little 'flat' with loads of white, and a mass of mid-greys.

    I think his face is a little underexposed and could do with some lightening. Do I have your permission to have a bash?
    John

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    • #3
      Re: Help with Mono please

      Originally posted by theMusicMan View Post
      Hi Lyn - Personally, I love mono - and often do conversions, especially of portraits. With this shot though I'd certainly go for far more of a contrast look as currently it appears a little 'flat' with loads of white, and a mass of mid-greys.

      I think his face is a little underexposed and could do with some lightening. Do I have your permission to have a bash?
      Absolutely John. I should have put "have a go" in my post.
      I would appreciate knowing what you do (if it isn't giving secrets away) as that would help me next time. I think it is flat too, but didn't know where to go with it.

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      • #4
        Re: Help with Mono please

        OK, I have just had a quick bash... I'll post it now...
        John

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        • #5
          Re: Help with Mono please

          Here you go...




          I used Lightroom to edit this image.

          I used a brush to brighten the face, and to add contrast, and a further brush to draw the viewers eye to his face by adding clarity around the eyes and creases/folds in his face - which really has great features. I increased the exposure of the entire image, and used a vignette (post crop) to once again draw attention to the face.

          I cropped the image with him to the right of frame so as to allow the user to see him looking at something.

          How's that?
          John

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          • #6
            Re: Help with Mono please

            Originally posted by theMusicMan View Post
            Here you go...




            I used Lightroom to edit this image.

            I used a brush to brighten the face, and to add contrast, and a further brush to draw the viewers eye to his face by adding clarity around the eyes and creases/folds in his face - which really has great features. I increased the exposure of the entire image, and used a vignette (post crop) to once again draw attention to the face.

            I cropped the image with him to the right of frame so as to allow the user to see him looking at something.

            How's that?
            I think it is beaut John. Just how I wanted the face lightened, and I should have given him that space to look into. I do it with birds so why I didn't think of it with him, I don't know!
            I don't have Lightroom. But Photoshop will have a brush - so I will practice.
            Thank you very much for taking the trouble to do it - appreciated.

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            • #7
              Re: Help with Mono please

              It's no problem Lyn. You will be able to do a much better job with the original RAW file, or a larger jpg.

              In Photoshop, you can use layers to obtain pretty much the same effect as I have applied here using Lightroom. Not sure what 'Clarity' in Lightroom transposes from when using Photoshop though. You will probably also have Adobe Camera Raw as part of Photoshop - which will allow you to do the edits in almost the same way as they are done in Lightroom.
              John

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              • #8
                Re: Help with Mono please

                Lyn, what a superb chap in this image of yours beautifully captured and such a great choice for a mono conversion

                and I LURVE what Joihn has done he has bought the face out from the screen, more 3d / less flat simply the best you two should work together ... oops travel will be a problem
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                • #9
                  Re: Help with Mono please

                  Hi Lyn, John has done superb job and he has done pretty much what I would have done that I nearly felt not to add to it.

                  But here goes any way and just slightly different from John's.

                  Regards Paul.
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                  • #10
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                    Lyn, wow ! you got both these artists on it

                    Paul, I like the black border - it sets his face off well
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                    • #11
                      Re: Help with Mono please

                      Well the lightness of the face is controlled by the proportion of the red channel information in the final picture (more red = lighter face). Mono is largely about shape and contrast, here with a background that is largely light so a fairer complexion will tend to have less contrast. The approaches taken so far have emphasised the contrast in the face which tends to age it.

                      In this treatment I've taken a gentler approach - using in part the lhs space to create the emphasis.



                      Decomposed to colour layers, green layer discarded, 50% red over blue, slight S to curves.

                      Of course it's based on my odd ideas of composition and doesn't meet Floribundas desire to lighten the face.

                      Nick
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                      • #12
                        Re: Help with Mono please

                        Can't compete with the traditional interpretation so put a twist on it.
                        Roy

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                        • #13
                          Re: Help with Mono please

                          Originally posted by OlyPaul View Post
                          Hi Lyn, John has done superb job and he has done pretty much what I would have done that I nearly felt not to add to it.

                          But here goes any way and just slightly different from John's.

                          Thanks Paul, I'm glad you did join in - I don't usually like borders, but this one looks good! It all helps with my learning curve.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Help with Mono please

                            I like the variations so far by everyone, so here is my version processed in Photoshop.


                            All the best.

                            Tom
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                            • #15
                              Re: Help with Mono please

                              Originally posted by Nick Temple-Fry View Post
                              Well the lightness of the face is controlled by the proportion of the red channel information in the final picture (more red = lighter face). Mono is largely about shape and contrast, here with a background that is largely light so a fairer complexion will tend to have less contrast. The approaches taken so far have emphasised the contrast in the face which tends to age it.

                              In this treatment I've taken a gentler approach - using in part the lhs space to create the emphasis.



                              Decomposed to colour layers, green layer discarded, 50% red over blue, slight S to curves.

                              Of course it's based on my odd ideas of composition and doesn't meet Floribundas desire to lighten the face.
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                              Nick
                              Thanks Nick, you have given me lots to think about too.
                              Whilst I did say I thought I would like the face lighter, I also liked the weather-beaten slightly darker look too - as you have portrayed.
                              I agonised over leaving the lhs there or going for a tighter portrait, which in the end I did, and even cloned out the mast by his cap. All the time thinking that the background added something to the riverboat feel of the shot, and I was on the wrong track.
                              I like what you have done very much, thank you.

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