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  • #31
    Re: Photography in Public Places

    This original post was concerning a PCSO. It then became diverted to a discussion regarding Security Guards and private property and, in that respect has been adequately covered. I agree with Shenstone's comment that your encounter was probably due to an over enthusiastic PCSO.

    It may be worth noting that PCSO's rights and powers vary greatly from region to region, as any such rights and powers are bestowed by the Chief Constable of the region employing them.

    In situations such as the OP describes, being confronted by a PCSO, it is probably best to adopt the attitude of "discretion is the better part of valor", smile nicely and be agreeable. If you feel you have been treated wrongly or badly by the PCSO, you always have the right to make an official complaint to the police force concerned. In my experience, arguing with a lone PCSO or indeed a police officer on a one to one basis is a no win situation and usually a fruitless and pointless exercise.

    Just make sure you get a good pic of his/her face and collar number

    Jax

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    • #32
      Re: Photography in Public Places

      Originally posted by Jax View Post
      In situations such as the OP describes, being confronted by a PCSO, it is probably best to adopt the attitude of "discretion is the better part of valor", smile nicely and be agreeable.

      In my experience, arguing with a lone PCSO or indeed a police officer on a one to one basis is a no win situation and usually a fruitless and pointless exercise.


      Jax
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      • #33
        Re: Photography in Public Places

        This reminds me of a few years ago when I was taking photos of my grandson playing football in a council park for a local youth team. One of the team managers came to me and asked me what I was doing. So I told him that I was taking pictures of my grandson (with his mother/my daughter just down the pitch from me). He asked me to stop, using the argument that some of the other players were from broken homes, and there were privacy issues of them being photographed by their now-excluded father or mother.

        Thanks to digital cameras I was able to show him that my images were of Archie rather than players in general, but it still seemed to be a rather restrictive attitude to take!
        Chris

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        • #34
          Re: Photography in Public Places

          Originally posted by CJJE View Post
          He asked me to stop, using the argument that some of the other players were from broken homes, and there were privacy issues of them being photographed by their now-excluded father or mother.
          This seems to be a catch-all argument nowadays; yet there is no problem taking the same photographs with a mobile phone.
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          • #35
            Re: Photography in Public Places

            Originally posted by Naughty Nigel View Post
            This seems to be a catch-all argument nowadays; yet there is no problem taking the same photographs with a mobile phone.
            No the catch all arguments are "you're causing harassment, alarm and distress...." and "with the current situation....." and also "we've had some complaints...."

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            • #36
              Re: Photography in Public Places

              Originally posted by shotokan101 View Post
              No the catch all arguments are "you're causing harassment, alarm and distress...." and "with the current situation....." and also "we've had some complaints...."

              What 'current situation'?

              And how can a camera cause alarm and distress?
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              • #37
                Re: Photography in Public Places

                I still can't get my head around the fact that it's totally acceptable to use your phone camera, with all it's zoom and decent quality nowadays, but using a decent camera causes so much 'alarm', 'distress', complaints and worry.

                I bet even using a compact camera wouldn't get complaints even though they are also more than capable.

                It's just bullsh1t and over reaction, probably by people who think a DSLR is only used by pro's and people publishing pictures.

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                • #38
                  Re: Photography in Public Places

                  Originally posted by Naughty Nigel View Post
                  What 'current situation'?

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                  • #39
                    Re: Photography in Public Places

                    Originally posted by Naughty Nigel View Post
                    What 'current situation'?

                    And how can a camera cause alarm and distress?
                    It's the. Anti terrorism act catch all for "possible hostile surveillance" and the alarm and distress is supposed to be that the "complaints" wouldn't have been received from the (anonymous/non-existent?) members of tge public if they weren't

                    Have a quick search on YouTube for photographers and UK police - absolutely amazingly ignorant if their actual powers and responsibilities - though some of the photographers are obviously checking for a reaction to photographers by "auditing" the responses....
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                    • #40
                      Re: Photography in Public Places

                      ....didn't that old joke actually say "........Resident In Every Small Town"
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                      • #41
                        Re: Photography in Public Places

                        Originally posted by Melaka View Post
                        An indictable offence is one which can be tried in the Crown Court and is therefore more serious than one with which the magistrates can deal.
                        The worst camera is better than the best photographer. Edward Weston

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                        • #42
                          Re: Photography in Public Places

                          Originally posted by Naughty Nigel View Post
                          And how can a camera cause alarm and distress?
                          The worst camera is better than the best photographer. Edward Weston

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                          • #43
                            Re: Photography in Public Places

                            While I appreciate those particular circumstances it's not really a very sensible suggestion now is it ?
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                            • #44
                              Re: Photography in Public Places

                              If your opinion is that the satisfaction you get from a street image is so great that you can ignore potential damage to other peoples mental health then go ahead.




                              Those who saw the Don McCullin program on TV not so long ago may remember that he did ask permission before taking street photos of people who would be aware that they were the subject. Doesn't seem to have done his work any harm.
                              The worst camera is better than the best photographer. Edward Weston

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                              • #45
                                Re: Photography in Public Places

                                There's a huge back archive of photographs of children taking part in various public activities. With the current restrictions on these sort of photographs, the current generation of children are at risk of becoming 'The Invisible Generation'!

                                Jim

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