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  • drmarkf
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    There was an amusing episode of the This Week in Photo podcast a couple of weeks ago, when the very grounded Shiv Verma said he thought Tony N had been left alone for that episode by his sensible lady wife, and had gone off the deep end (and by implication was probably being given a good kicking on her return ).

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  • drmarkf
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    Originally posted by Phill D View Post
    Interesting conclusion Mark. I tried that 50-200 mm lens in Moti's post out at the NEC it was really nice.

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  • Phill D
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    Interesting conclusion Mark. I tried that 50-200 mm lens in Moti's post out at the NEC it was really nice.

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  • drmarkf
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    Indeed.
    Not very impressed with his images as compositions, but his technical conclusions are fair enough for a real-life, subjective comparison.
    Anyone following dpreview would think that photographs were only taken at -3EV and enlarged to 3m square

    However, there are also a lot of good people on dpreview, with some interesting discussions like this one about choosing cameras for low-light concert photography (which doesn't reach some conclusions you necessarily might expect): https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/61919440

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  • wornish
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    Very interesting comparison here.

    Full Frame vs Micro Four Thirds where it matters most.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGn3...ature=youtu.be

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  • drmarkf
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    Originally posted by Harold Gough View Post
    I don't understand the comment about sensor size. they are the same.

    Anyway, the short register distance of m4/3 permits a large number of legacy lenses to be used (via adapters) which otherwise could not be used on digital. (Not unique e.g A7R).

    Harold
    True up to a point, but the first generation Sonys had a thick sensor stack that interfered with some classic lenses' imaging, such that you got a lot of magenta artefacts (e.g. a number of lovely Leitz semi-wide-angles).

    Some people went to the lengths of having the sensors customised to allow these lenses to be used, but that really is taking things a bit far IMHO, especially now bodies such as the A7II have fallen so much in price both new and s/h.

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  • Harold Gough
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    Originally posted by OM USer View Post
    Only Olympus know all the details but I never heard anyone say it was because of the sensor size per se. Rather it was because M43 offered greater advantages to the system as a whole and in future it may be that another seismic change may do the same to M43.
    I don't understand the comment about sensor size. they are the same.

    Anyway, the short register distance of m4/3 permits a large number of legacy lenses to be used (via adapters) which otherwise could not be used on digital. (Not unique e.g A7R).

    Harold

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  • Harold Gough
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    Originally posted by Grumpy Hec View Post
    macro work increases and I don't need portability for that.
    As a very high proportion of my photography is macro, I find that a surprising comment.

    Harold

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  • super_claret
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    For anybody interested, I wrote to Olympus about these rumours to ask what their opinion was...

    Good afternoon

    Many thanks for your email and for voicing your concerns.

    I have to tell you, firstly and without doubt, Micro Four-Thirds is not dead, not even close.
    We have no need or concern to jump into a format change, especially the saturated FF market like Panasonic have done with Sigma and Leica. The MFT format holds an excellent and ever popular niche which we support generously.

    We have invested heavily for many years (since the 70's) in building the smallest cameras with the best possible quality.
    Our OM's were smaller than other 35mm machines, our C system were developed with size in mind, the Four-Thirds (or E-System) cameras were as small as we could get D-SLR's and now we have spend the last 10+ years developing and refining the Micro Four-Thirds format.

    The last model (E-M1 MKII) out performs most D-SLR's and is comparable with the top FF cameras of this time for IQ, Noise and Dynamic Range when paired with our lenses.

    I also enjoy watching Tony and Chelsea, I find them very 'entertaining', however, they are not affiliated with any one brand and tend to shoot more often than not with heavy, expensive gear.
    I don't think I've ever seen them out on location where they don't have a 4x4 (SUV) to lug all their kit around and I don't even think they're that knowledgeable when it comes to the technical side of the MFT system.

    So I will give you the same advice I give my team; enjoy watching, listen to what they have to say, but never take it as divine rule and always with a pinch of salt. The Youtube channel is at the end of the day a personal opinion blog.

    This being said, he did get one thing right and it is across the board, with any company providing any consumer goods; "no-one will ever know what the future holds", not even the developers.
    However if we look at historical data, you can see the movement of mounts and systems has drastically slowed down (for most manufacturers).

    Since the 60's you can see the following system releases:

    Canon - 8 mounts - 3 in the last 10 years
    Fuji - 7 mounts - 2 in the last 10 years
    Nikon - 4 mounts - 2 in the last 10 years
    Sony - 3 mounts - all in the last 10 years.
    Olympus - 4 mounts - 1 in the last 10 years

    So long story short; no-one will ever be able to give you a certainty about what the company is working on, or what is to come, but I can assure you, everything I have heard and spoken about with the management here, is that there is no interest in moving to FF or any other sensor size.
    We're happy with MFT and our feedback from customers shows they same. I trust you'll also continue to enjoy the system. For many, many years.

    Kind regards,

    David Munns
    UK Customer & Technical Support Manager

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  • OM USer
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    I like what Michael Rammell is saying, he puts it so much better than I could. Olympus do need to differentiate their market offerings in a better way... oh, and support this forum as part of that marketing push.

    Positioning the E-M5 range as video centric might be a good idea but that does leave us amateurs who wish to concentrate on stills (and not pay the video price) with the E-M10 range. Fine, but the E-M10 range would need to up its game a bit and have top end and low end models with the top end models more like the current E-M5ii (including weather proofing, IS, and loads of dials & buttons).

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  • shenstone
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    Really interesting post here

    https://www.michaelrammell.com/blog/olympus-has-fallen


    He's really right about the fact that Olympus need to do a lot better at marketing and key to that is more launches ... those grab headlines

    The point he makes which I agree with and where he says variants are good - it's true IMO

    There is some other stuff I don't agree with in the article as well mind

    regards
    Andy

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  • Ross the fiddler
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    Originally posted by Grumpy Hec View Post
    An interesting thought which I simply had not considered.

    One flaw in it is that some people, myself included, decided that I would not get the grip for the Mk2 and just had an extra battery. I had one for the MK1 and very rarely used it.

    On that basis the extra size compared to a "naked" MK2 is a backward step and going away from one of the major selling points of the system.

    We should all remember of course this whole discussion is based on rumour and conjecture.

    Hec
    Not if you permanently have a 150-400mm F4-5.6 zoom lens or 300 F4 lens with MC14 attached. I think this camera is aimed it those sort of users. Don't forget Japan will be hosting the 2020 Olympics & Olympus will be ready (hopefully) with a suitable Pro sports camera outfit for it. Having wireless flash trigger & receivers should be welcome too (hopefully compatible with other model cameras too).

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  • Luiz Renato Gomes
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    Hello friends, I need to heal a doubt, I have a 40-150 3.5-4.5 I use in an E3 and E30, but this lens broke and does not open the diaphragm, in Brazil there is no technical assistance, however I have a new 40-150, I think be 4-5.6 not sure which of the two is better, thanks!

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