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  • Ricoh
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    Four Bells by -Steve Ricoh-

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  • Ricoh
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    Light at the end of the tunnel by -Steve Ricoh-
    Tri-X at EI 1600

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  • Naughty Nigel
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    Originally posted by Otto View Post
    I haven't used Pan F but it is not noted for "snow" so reticulation is probably the most likely cause. That said though modern films are very resistant to that. Perhaps it had been damaged in storage before you got it?
    I wondered that. I tend to freeze films if I am not planning to use them for a while or if they are short dated. This is probably unnecessary with B&W but I like to keep films fresh.

    I have never had a problem with any other film including FP4 and HP5 so it seems unlikely that freezing Pan F would cause this problem but searches online suggest that my experience is not a one-off.

    However, if it really was reticulation I would have expected to be able to see some kind of crazing under a microscope - which I can't; just a very fine dense snow-like effect in the scanned images.

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  • Otto
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    I generally used Kodachrome 64 for the increased speed with (to my eyes at least) negligible loss of quality. Both were lovely films though and much missed. I later changed to Fuji Velvia and Sensia. I think Cibachrome/Ilfochrome was matched to Kodachrome as I could never completely tune out the colour casts on prints made from Fuji slides.


    I haven't used Pan F but it is not noted for "snow" so reticulation is probably the most likely cause. That said though modern films are very resistant to that. Perhaps it had been damaged in storage before you got it?

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  • Naughty Nigel
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    Originally posted by Otto View Post
    I used always used to use the wonderful Agfa APX25 for landscapes etc, and boy does that stuff make you slow down. A tripod is pretty much essential with that, so now that I can't be bothered to carry one about anymore something a bit faster is better!


    With digital it ought to be possible to replicate the look of pushed film using adjustments such as an extreme "S-curve", but I grant you that film grain is preferable to digital noise.
    I have never tried the Agfa, but used to enjoy Kodachrome 25 when it was available. More recent photography with PanF was extremely disappointing with all of the photographs looking as if they had been taken in a snowstorm! I suspect some form of reticulation but the true reasons have never been properly explained. FP4 and HP5 processed during the same session (but with different development times) was spot on.

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  • Ricoh
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    That's very nice Richard

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  • Otto
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    He's good, I like his "beast" category particularly . Attached is one I made earlier, on 35mm APX25. It's developed normally but printed very hard on Agfa Multicontrast Classic.
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  • Ricoh
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    Originally posted by Otto View Post
    I used always used to use the wonderful Agfa APX25 for landscapes etc, and boy does that stuff make you slow down. A tripod is pretty much essential with that, so now that I can't be bothered to carry one about anymore something a bit faster is better!


    With digital it ought to be possible to replicate the look of pushed film using adjustments such as an extreme "S-curve", but I grant you that film grain is preferable to digital noise.
    Still many great emulsions out there to be sampled. More than you think!

    There's a photographer I follow. All B&W using digital. Love the way he destroys the mid tones. In his own words 'F**< the mid tones'.
    Here's a link: https://www.zeitvertreib-pix.com/portfolio/misery/

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  • Otto
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    I used always used to use the wonderful Agfa APX25 for landscapes etc, and boy does that stuff make you slow down. A tripod is pretty much essential with that, so now that I can't be bothered to carry one about anymore something a bit faster is better!


    With digital it ought to be possible to replicate the look of pushed film using adjustments such as an extreme "S-curve", but I grant you that film grain is preferable to digital noise.

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  • Ricoh
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    Originally posted by Otto View Post
    Bailey's photographs of the Kray brothers and others are very high in contrast, I think to an extent it was fashionable in the 60s. Brandt certainly liked the look, yes. I've occasionally used it myself too. I'm off to the Ironbridge Gorge next week and I might take my OM-1n with me, or maybe my 35RC and really go back to basics .
    I will look him up.

    I'm looking forward to the results, Richard. I'm currently pushing a roll of HP5, but I'm a really slow photographer! As Saul Leiter said: "I'm in no particular hurry".

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  • Ricoh
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    Originally posted by ianinsuffolk View Post
    ...In the digital era we have only just got to reliable 3,200 ASA so progress has not been quite as rapid as some would make out!

    Ian
    Yes, although at least one other Jap camera manufacturer has achieved much higher ISO, in fact I've heard it referred to as an ISO-less camera.

    But, that's using ISO to achieve an acceptable exposure with minimal noise. Film photography is different. Here a lot of us push-develop for the aesthetics. I'm not trying to achieve a balanced tonal range unlike in digital. (I believe it's achievable in photoshop [wash my mouth out] using low pass and high pass filters. But why bother when film does it so much better?

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  • Otto
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    Bailey's photographs of the Kray brothers and others are very high in contrast, I think to an extent it was fashionable in the 60s. Brandt certainly liked the look, yes. I've occasionally used it myself too. I'm off to the Ironbridge Gorge next week and I might take my OM-1n with me, or maybe my 35RC and really go back to basics .

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  • Ricoh
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    Originally posted by Otto View Post
    A nice graphic effect, yes. If I remember correctly David Bailey used to like the "soot and whitewash" look.
    Thanks Richard.
    I wasn't aware of David Bailey in this regard, but I'm a fan of Ralph Gibson and Bill Brandt, both of whom like the 'soot and whitewash'.
    If you're interested in the work of Gibson I'd recommend his book Deus Ex Machina.

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  • Otto
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    A nice graphic effect, yes. If I remember correctly David Bailey used to like the "soot and whitewash" look.

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  • Ricoh
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    Originally posted by ianinsuffolk View Post
    Oh for those far off days! I seem to remember microphen at 1/8th strength with 8 times normal development time was OK for 3,200 ASA. This was with a Pentax SP2 and 50mm f1.8 used indoors.
    In the digital era we have only just got to reliable 3,200 ASA so progress has not been quite as rapid as some would make out!
    I regularly used such speeds for many years with very few failures and very acceptable grain, but of course is was 'only B and W.'

    Ian
    I push film primarily to squash the mid tones as much as possible, looking for blacks and whites in the subject.

    Here's another (all from the same roll).

    Steps by -Steve Ricoh-

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