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  • #2
    Re: PanLeica 42.5mm f1.2 vs Olympus 45mm f1.8

    Originally posted by Loup Garou View Post
    Considering that after f1.2 the next step down on the PanLeica is f2
    What do you mean by that?

    The Nocticron is an absolutely first-rate lens, it is of course a specialised piece of glass...yes, the Olympus 45mm and Panasonic 42.5mm lenses offer a lot performance wise but if you're looking for the last nuance of performance, the Nocticron (and Voigtlander lenses FWIW) are worthy of consideration.

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    • #3
      Re: PanLeica 42.5mm f1.2 vs Olympus 45mm f1.8

      Originally posted by sdb123 View Post
      What do you mean by that?

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      • #4
        Re: PanLeica 42.5mm f1.2 vs Olympus 45mm f1.8

        Originally posted by Loup Garou View Post
        I meant that on the aperture ring of the Nocticron, the setting after f1.2 is f2 going by the photos of the lens.
        Well, on the aperture ring, yes...in camera, like any other lens, it can be stopped down in lower values.

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        • #5
          Re: PanLeica 42.5mm f1.2 vs Olympus 45mm f1.8

          I played with the Noc for a day and whilst it is indeed a stellar performer, I didn't think it justified its price, for my needs, over the 45/1.8. The latter really is a bargain of a lens.
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          • #6
            Re: PanLeica 42.5mm f1.2 vs Olympus 45mm f1.8

            Originally posted by pdk42 View Post
            I played with the Noc for a day and whilst it is indeed a stellar performer, I didn't think it justified its price, for my needs, over the 45/1.8. The latter really is a bargain of a lens.
            Precisely. I think the Olympus 45mm f1.8 is one of the best values for money in optical instruments. Really excellent performer.

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            • #7
              Re: PanLeica 42.5mm f1.2 vs Olympus 45mm f1.8

              I missed this thread

              The thing about the Nocticron is that it really is sharp at f/1.2 and it's a stop brighter than the 1.8, which means you can shoot in really dim conditions at a respectable ISO speed. But yes the law of diminishing returns means the new price is prohibitive, but in life that applies to lots of things

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              • #8
                Re: PanLeica 42.5mm f1.2 vs Olympus 45mm f1.8

                Originally posted by Ian View Post
                The thing about the Nocticron is that it really is sharp at f/1.2 and it's a stop brighter than the 1.8, which means you can shoot in really dim conditions at a respectable ISO speed.
                Ian
                I agree to that but the way I look at it is that in most cases portrait photography is a planned exercise so that you have the choice to wait for suitable conditions, including use of flash if necessary. I find the Olympus 45mm f1.8 excellent for most indoor conditions and I also have the Olympus 75mm f1.8 for outdoor use which gives almost exactly the same DoF at proportionate distances (not equal but adjusted to respective focal lengths) as the Nocticron, which I really believe is overpriced.

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                • #9
                  Re: PanLeica 42.5mm f1.2 vs Olympus 45mm f1.8

                  Originally posted by Ian View Post
                  The secret is to find a good priced second hand one!

                  Ian
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                  • #10
                    Re: PanLeica 42.5mm f1.2 vs Olympus 45mm f1.8

                    Originally posted by Loup Garou View Post
                    Precisely. I think the Olympus 45mm f1.8 is one of the best values for money in optical instruments. Really excellent performer.
                    “Sharpness is a bourgeois concept”
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                    • #11
                      Re: PanLeica 42.5mm f1.2 vs Olympus 45mm f1.8

                      Originally posted by pdk42 View Post
                      I played with the Noc for a day and whilst it is indeed a stellar performer, I didn't think it justified its price, for my needs, over the 45/1.8. The latter really is a bargain of a lens.
                      Like you Paul I had one for a while and like you I found its performance to be stellar. Also like you I soon came to the conclusion that whilst arguably a better lens than the Oly 45mm it wasn't so much better as to warrant the penalty of both considerably greater cost and weight/size.

                      Personally speaking if I were to look for a super fast 40-50mm again it would be the manual focus Voightlander 42.5 F0.95 , that lens 'draws' in a unique way ... very cinematic, though it would not replace my 45mm Olympus .... a lens which IMO is too good an 'all rounder' in regard to performance/cost/size.

                      Simon
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                      • #12
                        Re: PanLeica 42.5mm f1.2 vs Olympus 45mm f1.8

                        Another point to consider is ......

                        Given the typical usage of a 45mm lens will be portraiture " is f1.2 too shallow a DOF?" For me the answer is "yes it is". When shooting 35mm film with an 85/100mm I always found F4 to be the ideal aperture for portraiture ..... sufficiently shallow DOF to make the subject stand out whilst at the same time enough DOF to have both the eyes and ears in focus. Therefore for me a M4/3 lens with an aperture of F2 is plenty fast enough on nearly every occasion. Of course one doesn't 'have' to shoot at F1.2 and it's always there if you need it, but that rationale should be balanced against 'how often do you need it'.

                        I am not saying F1.2 isn't useful, there are times when it will be, the question to ask oneself is "how often will I need it?". If that answer is 'rarely' then ask yourself "do I really want to spend this much or am I better served with the smaller/lighter/cheaper and still high performing alternative?"

                        Simon
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                        • #13
                          Re: PanLeica 42.5mm f1.2 vs Olympus 45mm f1.8

                          Originally posted by Simon Bee View Post
                          Given the typical usage of a 45mm lens will be portraiture " is f1.2 too shallow a DOF?" For me the answer is "yes it is".
                          Simon
                          I felt the same. With 42.5mm f1.2 (Nocticron), the DoF at 2 metres, the ideal distance from the subject for a portrait with that MFT focal length, the DoF is only 7cm (less than 3 inches). There is the distinct possibility of the ears looking a bit soft.

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                          • #14
                            Re: PanLeica 42.5mm f1.2 vs Olympus 45mm f1.8

                            Originally posted by Loup Garou View Post
                            I felt the same. With 42.5mm f1.2 (Nocticron), the DoF at 2 metres, the ideal distance from the subject for a portrait with that MFT focal length, the DoF is only 7cm (less than 3 inches). There is the distinct possibility of the ears looking a bit soft.
                            Does it matter about the ears? Just received Steve McCurry's blog. The eyes are incredibly sharp, the ears are definitely not.

                            David
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                            • #15
                              Re: PanLeica 42.5mm f1.2 vs Olympus 45mm f1.8

                              Originally posted by Crazy Dave View Post
                              Does it matter about the ears?
                              David
                              IMO it does to some extent. I'd like all of the portrait subject to be as sharp as possible.

                              Incidentally, one can buy the Olympus 75mm f1.8 and the Olympus 45mm f1.8 and still have money left to take the other half and the kids out for the evening for what it costs to buy the PanLeica 42.5mm f1.2 Nocticron.

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