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  • #16
    Re: So, is the AF better with firmware 3?

    Originally posted by drmarkf View Post
    May I ask about your settings there - CAF alone, how many focus points, lock setting? Also, what drive FPS?
    These are the settings which I used. They might not be the best choice but they are what I have arrived at presently.

    C-AF (not tracking); Silent Shutter, Sequential Low 10fps; C-AF Centre Priority; C-AF Sensitivity +1; 25 focus points (I am very pleased they have included this now. Fewer points are probably better if you are skilful enough to keep them on the subject, which I am not!); S-IS Auto (I would turn it off but as it cannot be saved in Custom Settings I would probably forget to turn it on again for S-AF shots).

    This shot was taken with Shutter Priority 1/2000 sec at F5.6. Auto ISO. Range selector switch on lens 4m-∞.

    I would be interested to hear what settings other people are using. It would be good if we could have a dedicated thread for this (maybe a 'sticky') to compare settings which work for them.

    Ron

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    • #17
      Re: So, is the AF better with firmware 3?

      Originally posted by Olybirder View Post
      I would be interested to hear what settings other people are using. It would be good if we could have a dedicated thread for this (maybe a 'sticky') to compare settings which work for them.
      Ron
      Great Barn Owl shots Ron!

      I think the C-AF is improved a lot especially with the C-AF Centre Priority and C-AF Centre start options. I've turn both of these on and now use either the new 5x5 focus points or all-points for bird flight shots. I'm finding it easier to get in focus shots of birds in flight with backgrounds like reedbeds and trees. I used to find the focus would nearly always hit something in the background using "all points" or a small 3x3 grid or 5 point cross but with v3.0 FW it seems to have more success locking on. The 5x5 option is really good for this too as it gives you Centre Priority and more focus points to aim at the bird.

      One thing I have found is that with C-AF "all points" and the "centre start" thing set, you need to know where the centre focus point is. The view finder grid I had set in the EVF does not show this so I have set to the "cross hairs" grid (like a sniper rifle view seen in films..). The 5x5 grid on the other hand shows where the focus points are.

      Another setting I use is the C-AF limiter. I have put this on my LN-FN switch (lens function) for the 300mm F4 and left the lens limiter hard switch on the infinity range. Then when sitting in a bird hide use PRE-MF to find the distance to the background you don't want to confuse focus and set up some ranges you can quickly switch between on LN-FN with a dial. I really wish they would display the focus distance as an EVF option or show it on the image playback (it is recorded in EXIF) making it easier to set this up!

      I've spent a week in Suffolk around various reserves trying out the v3.0 FW. I had some limited success with Hobbies flying in front of the Bittern hide at Minsmere but still challenging with heat haze and not enough shutter speed.

      I need to experiment more with the settings - there are so many! I'm conflicted between using A-mode and S-mode too for things like fast flying birds - mostly use aperture priority before and upped the ISO if I wanted a higher shutter speed.

      Here is an example of one of the Hobby shots - a cropped image of a Hobby flying past at about 110m distance using 300mm F4 and MC-14 (a bit fuzzy due to heat haze and too slow shutter speed I think and also need to get closer):

      Hobby - cropped by Bill Dennis, on Flickr
      https://www.flickr.com/photos/macg33zr/

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      • #18
        Re: So, is the AF better with firmware 3?

        Originally posted by Olybirder View Post
        These are the settings which I used. They might not be the best choice but they are what I have arrived at presently.

        C-AF (not tracking); Silent Shutter, Sequential Low 10fps; C-AF Centre Priority; C-AF Sensitivity +1; 25 focus points (I am very pleased they have included this now. Fewer points are probably better if you are skilful enough to keep them on the subject, which I am not!); S-IS Auto (I would turn it off but as it cannot be saved in Custom Settings I would probably forget to turn it on again for S-AF shots).

        This shot was taken with Shutter Priority 1/2000 sec at F5.6. Auto ISO. Range selector switch on lens 4m-∞.

        I would be interested to hear what settings other people are using. It would be good if we could have a dedicated thread for this (maybe a 'sticky') to compare settings which work for them.

        Ron
        Almost what I have but use +2 and set ISO -SS -Aperture manually .and electronic shutter most of the time
        Rob.

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        • #19
          Re: So, is the AF better with firmware 3?

          Would love to join you. I think you have my mobile number... ends 9732. Text/phone!
          Paul

          I didn’t get where I am today....

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          • #20
            Re: So, is the AF better with firmware 3?

            From what I can understand, if there are issues post update it is worth doing a factory reset and restoring settings.

            The list of post update issues and the ones I had were definitely removed by the reset. (Full reset).

            All my lenses defenately focus better post update as well - including some that “have issues” according to others!
            Paul

            I didn’t get where I am today....

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            • #21
              Re: So, is the AF better with firmware 3?

              Not had much chance to try out C-AF which is my main interest but the other day I took some video of my wife riding a black and white horse so she could see her riding technique which should help her to improve. Now I know virtually nothing about video, just point, focus and shoot but my understanding is that the new firmware should give improved locking onto and following of a moving subject but it still seems to jump focus from the subject (which should be ideal being fairly large in the viewfinder and of high contrast) to the background. As I say I do not really know what I am doing with video or know what to expect in comparison to other cameras but I am rather disappointed. The lens I was using was the 12-100 Pro on a bright sunny day.

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              • #22
                Re: So, is the AF better with firmware 3?

                Originally posted by Miketoll View Post
                Not had much chance to try out C-AF which is my main interest but the other day I took some video of my wife riding a black and white horse so she could see her riding technique which should help her to improve. Now I know virtually nothing about video, just point, focus and shoot but my understanding is that the new firmware should give improved locking onto and following of a moving subject but it still seems to jump focus from the subject (which should be ideal being fairly large in the viewfinder and of high contrast) to the background. As I say I do not really know what I am doing with video or know what to expect in comparison to other cameras but I am rather disappointed. The lens I was using was the 12-100 Pro on a bright sunny day.
                Do you know which focus points you had selected? All of them perhaps? Try reducing it to say 3x3 and try to keep the camera aimed at her.

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                • #23
                  Re: So, is the AF better with firmware 3?

                  Thanks for the advice. I did keep the camera aimed at her but I am not sure how many focus points were activated. I had taken some stills with five points activated but that does not necessarily carry over to video does it. Hey-ho, I'll check next time.

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                  • #24
                    Re: So, is the AF better with firmware 3?

                    Originally posted by Miketoll View Post
                    Thanks for the advice. I did keep the camera aimed at her but I am not sure how many focus points were activated. I had taken some stills with five points activated but that does not necessarily carry over to video does it. Hey-ho, I'll check next time.
                    By default, video would be using all AF targets, C-AF. The latest addition of 5x5 AF targets might be a good option, depending on how close you are to her & how much of the frame area she & the horse would take up. If she appears smaller in the frame then 3x3 could be better so long as you keep them in the centre of the frame.
                    Ross
                    I fiddle with violins (when I'm not fiddling with a camera).
                    Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ross-the-fiddler/
                    Cameras: OM-D E-M1 & Mk II, Olympus Stylus 1, OM-D E-M5.
                    Lenses: M.ZD7-14mm f2.8 PRO Lens, M.ZD12-40mm f2.8 PRO Lens, M.ZD40-150mm f2.8 PRO Lens, MC-14, MC-20, M.ZD45mm f1.8, M.ZD12-50, M.ZD60 Macro, M.ZD75-300 Mk II, MMF-3, ZD14-54 II, Sigma 150mm F2.8 APO Macro DG HSM.
                    Flashes: FL36R X2, FL50R, FL50.
                    Software: Capture One Pro 10 (& Olympus Viewer 3).

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                    • #25
                      Re: So, is the AF better with firmware 3?

                      Originally posted by Ross the fiddler View Post
                      By default, video would be using all AF targets, C-AF. The latest addition of 5x5 AF targets might be a good option, depending on how close you are to her & how much of the frame area she & the horse would take up. If she appears smaller in the frame then 3x3 could be better so long as you keep them in the centre of the frame.
                      I have realised I'm not completely sure how the AF target settings work with video, as there is nothing in the menu other than a choice of C-AF and S-AF. Does it simply use whatever the focus points setting is when you press the red button?

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                      • #26
                        Re: So, is the AF better with firmware 3?

                        Originally posted by Growltiger View Post
                        I have realised I'm not completely sure how the AF target settings work with video, as there is nothing in the menu other than a choice of C-AF and S-AF. Does it simply use whatever the focus points setting is when you press the red button?
                        It gives: (as seen in the list in the camera's video menu)
                        S-AF
                        C-AF
                        (default)
                        MF
                        S-AF+MF
                        C-AF+MF
                        Preset MF


                        I don't know if the C-AF Center Start & C-AF Center Priority (with that incorrect US spelling) in the stills menu also affects video or not. Maybe it does.
                        Ross
                        I fiddle with violins (when I'm not fiddling with a camera).
                        Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ross-the-fiddler/
                        Cameras: OM-D E-M1 & Mk II, Olympus Stylus 1, OM-D E-M5.
                        Lenses: M.ZD7-14mm f2.8 PRO Lens, M.ZD12-40mm f2.8 PRO Lens, M.ZD40-150mm f2.8 PRO Lens, MC-14, MC-20, M.ZD45mm f1.8, M.ZD12-50, M.ZD60 Macro, M.ZD75-300 Mk II, MMF-3, ZD14-54 II, Sigma 150mm F2.8 APO Macro DG HSM.
                        Flashes: FL36R X2, FL50R, FL50.
                        Software: Capture One Pro 10 (& Olympus Viewer 3).

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                        • #27
                          Re: So, is the AF better with firmware 3?

                          Originally posted by Ross the fiddler View Post
                          It gives: (as seen in the list in the camera's video menu)
                          S-AF
                          C-AF
                          (default)
                          MF
                          S-AF+MF
                          C-AF+MF
                          Preset MF


                          I don't know if the C-AF Center Start & C-AF Center Priority (with that incorrect US spelling) in the stills menu also affects video or not. Maybe it does.

                          Yes, but what about one normal, one small, cross, 3x3, 5x5, All?

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                          • #28
                            Re: So, is the AF better with firmware 3?

                            I still cannot AF the milky-way :{
                            * Henry
                            * Location: Subang Jaya, Selangor
                            * Malaysia


                            All my garbage so far.

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                            • #29
                              Re: So, is the AF better with firmware 3?

                              Originally posted by blu-by-u View Post
                              I still cannot AF the milky-way :{
                              Try shining a powerful torch on it.

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                              • #30
                                Re: So, is the AF better with firmware 3?

                                Originally posted by Growltiger View Post
                                Yes, but what about one normal, one small, cross, 3x3, 5x5, All?
                                So far I can only select Single, Single small & then All in video. No 3x3 or 5x5.
                                Ross
                                I fiddle with violins (when I'm not fiddling with a camera).
                                Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ross-the-fiddler/
                                Cameras: OM-D E-M1 & Mk II, Olympus Stylus 1, OM-D E-M5.
                                Lenses: M.ZD7-14mm f2.8 PRO Lens, M.ZD12-40mm f2.8 PRO Lens, M.ZD40-150mm f2.8 PRO Lens, MC-14, MC-20, M.ZD45mm f1.8, M.ZD12-50, M.ZD60 Macro, M.ZD75-300 Mk II, MMF-3, ZD14-54 II, Sigma 150mm F2.8 APO Macro DG HSM.
                                Flashes: FL36R X2, FL50R, FL50.
                                Software: Capture One Pro 10 (& Olympus Viewer 3).

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