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  • Kodak v.s. LiveMOS sensor colour

    Anyone interested in this debate - have a look over at FTU:

    http://fourthirds-user.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13436

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    Re: Kodak v.s. LiveMOS sensor colour

    I have received some good feedback at FTU on this and have updated some responses.

    http://www.fourthirds-user.com/forum...ad.php?t=13436

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    • #3
      Re: Kodak v.s. LiveMOS sensor colour

      I guess I wasn't actively asking for comments here but out of interest - do folks here have a strong opinions on whether the older Olympus cameras with the Kodak sensor offered special colour characteristics compared with the later LiveMOS sensor cameras?

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      • #4
        Re: Kodak v.s. LiveMOS sensor colour

        I have never owned a Kodak sensor Olympus camera but am aware of the fact that some "wax lyrical" about the Kodak colours. I have to say that I have never seen anything in the examples shown to support this that convinces me there is anything significantly different.
        The recent article in AP (11 January) by professor Bob Newman (usually the only reason I buy AP) on Colour Perception makes me wonder if the claimed differences are more to do with people's individual colour perception than any differences in sensor characteristics.

        Could it be that "colour is in the eye of the beholder"?

        Just my thoughts.

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        • #5
          Re: Kodak v.s. LiveMOS sensor colour

          I didn't realise the colour of the sensor was relevant to the colours in the image.
          It's the image that's important, not the tools used to make it.

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          • #6
            Re: Kodak v.s. LiveMOS sensor colour

            I had a E400, my first digital Olympus in fact. TBH I didn't think it dealt with high contrast scenes that well, and I found the E510/E620 rather better in this respect. I didn't spot anything specific in the colour rendition.

            Then I bought an old E-1 and I think there is something about the image output from that camera. You can push and pull the raw files in Photoshop a lot more than the newer models. The colours look more real in some odd way.

            I could be wrong. But wait. What's that? What's happened to the Emperor's clothes...
            Look, I'm an old man. I shouldn't be expected to put up with this.


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            • #7
              Re: Kodak v.s. LiveMOS sensor colour

              I can see a trip to B&Q in my future... The paint charts are perfect for doing any such tests and much cheaper than the x-rite or greytag cards.

              I was also surprised at just how consistent the colours of M&Ms are. They make excellent comparison subjects, despite them mysteriously disappearing.

              I may well try a comparison of my own and see if it compares with the collective wisdom of the forums.
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              • #8
                Re: Kodak v.s. LiveMOS sensor colour

                I must admit I do like the colours you get from the raw files of an E1. More contrasty, punchy, and together.
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                • #9
                  Re: Kodak v.s. LiveMOS sensor colour

                  I have been on the LiveMos sensor from my day 1. I started with the E-330 and have loved it since.

                  Back to the 4 pictures, A seems to have lost it's details and in some way, the dynamic range. B, even it's slightly darker (under exposed), the details is still lost.

                  C and D should be from the same camera (sensor) The details captured like that on the Cup cover. you can actually see the wordings.

                  As for the colors, I prefer the D but a tat more contrast and slightly brighter.

                  So which is the LiveMos and which is Kodak?
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                  • #10
                    Re: Kodak v.s. LiveMOS sensor colour

                    Originally posted by snaarman View Post
                    I had a E400, my first digital Olympus in fact. TBH I didn't think it dealt with high contrast scenes that well, and I found the E510/E620 rather better in this respect. I didn't spot anything specific in the colour rendition.

                    Then I bought an old E-1 and I think there is something about the image output from that camera. You can push and pull the raw files in Photoshop a lot more than the newer models. The colours look more real in some odd way.

                    I could be wrong. But wait. What's that? What's happened to the Emperor's clothes...
                    the real key in here was what 5mp from a 43 sensor gave you in terms a file to play with!

                    the jpeg engine was also very good on the E1, excellent relative to many others at the time

                    the 400 was good in good light but useless if you increased the ISO up to even 400; great RAW files at 100 (or even 50 via the hidden menu that subsequently disappeared after a firmware update!). Long exposures were terrible (partly internal camera design with areas heating up as I understood it).

                    given the capabilities of the E-M5 and E-M1 sensors I wouldn't go back!
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                    • #11
                      Re: Kodak v.s. LiveMOS sensor colour

                      Originally posted by photo_owl View Post
                      ............ given the capabilities of the E-M5 and E-M1 sensors I wouldn't go back!
                      Very true.
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                      • #12
                        Re: Kodak v.s. LiveMOS sensor colour

                        Originally posted by photo_owl View Post
                        the real key in here was what 5mp from a 43 sensor gave you in terms a file to play with!

                        the jpeg engine was also very good on the E1, excellent relative to many others at the time

                        the 400 was good in good light but useless if you increased the ISO up to even 400; great RAW files at 100 (or even 50 via the hidden menu that subsequently disappeared after a firmware update!). Long exposures were terrible (partly internal camera design with areas heating up as I understood it).

                        given the capabilities of the E-M5 and E-M1 sensors I wouldn't go back!
                        E-1 JPEGs are very good in conditions with adequate light but RAW is the way to go with low light. In fact at ISO 3200 in my latest tests the camera JPEG was not only swimming with chroma noise but it was badly over-exposed compared to the simultaneously recorded RAW file. Modern RAW converters like Lightroom 5 actually produce really good results from E-1 RAW files.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Kodak v.s. LiveMOS sensor colour

                          But it's painfully slow shooting in RAW with the E-1.

                          BTW, when are you going to reveal the mystery?
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